Jean-Luc Picard is Coming Back

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Re: Jean-Luc Picard is Coming Back

Post by FireNexus » 2018-08-09 04:01pm

I actually would really like a story about a Cardassian refugee crisis on Bajor. Or perhaps about trying to prepare a rebuilding Cardassia for entry into the Federation. I think the aftermath of the war still being felt a decade later, with Picard trying to wear his diplomat hat to make it better, would be wonderful.
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Re: Jean-Luc Picard is Coming Back

Post by FaxModem1 » 2018-08-09 04:50pm

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I actually would really like a story about a Cardassian refugee crisis on Bajor. Or perhaps about trying to prepare a rebuilding Cardassia for entry into the Federation. I think the aftermath of the war still being felt a decade later, with Picard trying to wear his diplomat hat to make it better, would be wonderful.
That could be fun to see. Seeing political allegory while also seeing the peacemaker Captain making peace.
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Re: Jean-Luc Picard is Coming Back

Post by Elheru Aran » 2018-08-09 05:17pm

I dunno, I'm not sure I would be able to stand that for more than an episode or two. Certainly DS9 left some stuff hanging, but... really... I want Picard to be pursuing his dreams, and trying to couple the next generation of Starfleet with the ideals he stood for twenty years ago. A whole series of people sitting around tables talking doesn't really sound like my idea of a good time.
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Re: Jean-Luc Picard is Coming Back

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-08-09 05:19pm

Elheru Aran wrote:
2018-08-09 05:17pm
I dunno, I'm not sure I would be able to stand that for more than an episode or two. Certainly DS9 left some stuff hanging, but... really... I want Picard to be pursuing his dreams, and trying to couple the next generation of Starfleet with the ideals he stood for twenty years ago. A whole series of people sitting around tables talking doesn't really sound like my idea of a good time.
Actually, cleaning up the destruction of the Cardassian (or Romulan) civilization creates lots of opportunities for action- rescue a ship full of refugees, stop a radical terrorist cell, whatever. And those are situations where Picard's ideals can be on full display, but also face challenges from adversaries and more cynical realpolitik types.
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Re: Jean-Luc Picard is Coming Back

Post by Elheru Aran » 2018-08-09 05:32pm

Birth year on record: 2305 (in universe, obviously). The show is going to be set in 2399. Federation medical achievements notwithstanding, I'm not sure you're going to see a 94-year-old man engaging in that much... action.

I just kinda feel like the Cardassian/Bajor thing should kind of be its own separate situation, I guess. Certainly Picard could get involved in some way, but honestly? It's a big galaxy. Why should they retread old ground? I'd stay the hell away from the Borg and maybe the Romulans too for the same reason.
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Re: Jean-Luc Picard is Coming Back

Post by Tribble » 2018-08-10 07:06pm

Elheru Aran wrote:
2018-08-09 05:32pm
Birth year on record: 2305 (in universe, obviously). The show is going to be set in 2399. Federation medical achievements notwithstanding, I'm not sure you're going to see a 94-year-old man engaging in that much... action.

I just kinda feel like the Cardassian/Bajor thing should kind of be its own separate situation, I guess. Certainly Picard could get involved in some way, but honestly? It's a big galaxy. Why should they retread old ground? I'd stay the hell away from the Borg and maybe the Romulans too for the same reason.
Maybe we'll see the rise of the Federations version of Donald Trump, and Picards response to it. It would be interesting to see how someone like Picard would deal with that kind of scenario. Would his ideals withstand that kind of test?
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Re: Jean-Luc Picard is Coming Back

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-08-10 07:27pm

Tribble wrote:
2018-08-10 07:06pm
Elheru Aran wrote:
2018-08-09 05:32pm
Birth year on record: 2305 (in universe, obviously). The show is going to be set in 2399. Federation medical achievements notwithstanding, I'm not sure you're going to see a 94-year-old man engaging in that much... action.

I just kinda feel like the Cardassian/Bajor thing should kind of be its own separate situation, I guess. Certainly Picard could get involved in some way, but honestly? It's a big galaxy. Why should they retread old ground? I'd stay the hell away from the Borg and maybe the Romulans too for the same reason.
Maybe we'll see the rise of the Federations version of Donald Trump, and Picards response to it. It would be interesting to see how someone like Picard would deal with that kind of scenario. Would his ideals withstand that kind of test?
Maybe an Earth nationalist who wants to leave the Federation, and colludes with the Dominion to gain power? And has a golden shower holodeck program on Risa? :D

But Picard would still be Picard. This is a man who, when the Federation violated its laws in Insurrection, outright mutinied, and has repeatedly violated direct orders that he felt were wrong.
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Re: Jean-Luc Picard is Coming Back

Post by Master Six » 2018-08-10 08:18pm

Picard aside, I really want to see more about Cardassia and Bajor post-Dominion War. How have they managed to develop and exist with each other after such a traumatic history? Since I imagine that both have entered or are poised to enter the Federation, lingering conflict and bad feelings must exist that will challenge the process.

Personally I think the best way to shake up the series would to be show an alien captain. I've already demonstrated a bias, but I'd love to see a Cardassian captain a few decades after the events of DS9 ended. Maybe the child of refugees from Cardassia after the Dominion turned on them -- someone raised in the Federation but also having an acute awareness of his species' history and culture, giving him a significant interest in the development of the new Cardassia (an analog to Worf). It's a chance to have a nuanced character who appreciates the Federation for the opportunity it has given him, but is not blinded by dogma to its shortcomings. Add in a good supporting cast (maybe a Bajoran officer to add tension), a look also at how the Romulans have fared over time, and a style that is familiar to fans of the TNG era but also improved, and you've got potential.
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Re: Jean-Luc Picard is Coming Back

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-08-10 08:36pm

That sounds really good.
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Re: Jean-Luc Picard is Coming Back

Post by FireNexus » 2018-08-11 10:12am

Elheru Aran wrote:
2018-08-09 05:32pm
I just kinda feel like the Cardassian/Bajor thing should kind of be its own separate situation, I guess. Certainly Picard could get involved in some way, but honestly? It's a big galaxy. Why should they retread old ground? I'd stay the hell away from the Borg and maybe the Romulans too for the same reason.
They should retread this ground because there should be multiple whole societies still kind of roiling from it. The Federation attempted to commit genocide in that war. Billions died on Cardassia in a few hours. Two great powers (Cardassia and the Breen) had their militaries destroyed. Earth was attacked.

We never saw how that turned out, and it’s the exact kind of thing a series built around a 94-year-old diplomat would be good at.
I had a Bill Maher quote here. But fuck him for his white privelegy "joke".

All the rest? Too long.

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