Star Trek: Discovery

PST: discuss Star Trek without "versus" arguments.

Moderator: Vympel

User avatar
Imperial Overlord
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 11978
Joined: 2004-08-19 04:30am
Location: The Tower at Charm

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Imperial Overlord »

Saru will probably remain captain.

It has occurred to me that Lorca's story about blowing up to Buran to prevent Klingons from taking the crew prisoner isn't all that credible. It's more likely that he blew up the ship and cooked up the story to cover up his origin. He probably gave away too many clues that he wasn't the main universe's Lorca by acting like a Mirror Universe dick and that had to be taken care of before Starfleet brass starting reading reports of him acting in an unacceptable manner. It would explain how he conveniently is the only survivor.
The Excellent Prismatic Spray. For when you absolutely, positively must kill a motherfucker. Accept no substitutions. Contact a magician of the later Aeons for details. Some conditions may apply.
User avatar
CetaMan
Youngling
Posts: 113
Joined: 2015-08-28 02:44am
Location: Alberta, Canada (Eh?)

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by CetaMan »

Saru would probably be interesting from the dynamic of having an alien captain, but I doubt they would be able to present an alien mindset that doesn't do the usual "all Klingons are warriors and act the same" thing.
User avatar
tezunegari
Jedi Knight
Posts: 692
Joined: 2008-11-13 12:44pm

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by tezunegari »

And Saru is not the Captain...

Discovery is on a mission to visit Q'onos... after Archer and the NX-01 100 years earlier.

Officially they are going to go sightseeing. Mapping targets of interest for an all-out attack to push back the klingon forces.
(Starbase One, 150 AU away from Earth is occupied by 274 klingons)

They'll spore-jump into a cave to scan the surface.

Inofficially... the new Captain has other plans, and the agreement of the Federation Council.


SPOILER: Spoiler
Captain Philippa Georgiou
(formerly her most Imperial Majesty, Mother of the Fatherland, Overlord of Vulcan, Dominus of Kronos, Regina Andor, Philippa Georgiou Augustus Iaponius Centarius)
"Bring your thousands, I have my axe."
"Bring your cannons, I have my armor."
"Bring your mighty... I am my own champion."
Cue Unit-01 ramming half the Lance of Longinus down Adam's head and a bemused Gendo, "Wrong end, son."
Ikari Gendo, NGE Fanfiction "Standing Tall"
User avatar
Batman
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 16329
Joined: 2002-07-09 04:51am
Location: Seriously thinking about moving to Marvel because so much of the DCEU stinks

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Batman »

I thought Discovery was supposed to predate TOS by a decade or so?
'On stardate 4789.6 klingon vessels launched hypothermic charges'
That's in between s2/3 to early s3. The starting stardate for 'Where no man has gone before' is 1312.4
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'
User avatar
Elheru Aran
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 13073
Joined: 2004-03-04 01:15am
Location: Georgia

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Elheru Aran »

At this point, you expect them to care about continuity and consistency with prior incarnations?
It's a strange world. Let's keep it that way.
User avatar
Batman
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 16329
Joined: 2002-07-09 04:51am
Location: Seriously thinking about moving to Marvel because so much of the DCEU stinks

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Batman »

No, I just didn't expect them to be this blatant about it, what with all the 'this is totally the Prime Timeline'
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'
User avatar
Batman
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 16329
Joined: 2002-07-09 04:51am
Location: Seriously thinking about moving to Marvel because so much of the DCEU stinks

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Batman »

Though I wouldn't be particularly surprised if this happened because nobody noticed.
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'
User avatar
Grand Moff Yenchin
Sith Devotee
Posts: 2726
Joined: 2003-02-07 12:49pm
Location: Surrounded by fundies who mock other fundies
Contact:

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Grand Moff Yenchin »

Saru's entry in the previous episode: Stardate 1834.2
"Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum" where they arrive at Pahvo the stardate is 1308.9
In "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad" the stardate is 2136.8 (by Burnham at the beginning) and then 2137.2 when Mudd boasts on closing his deal.
The first episode happens at 1207.3

Not sure why such detail that can be easily maintained is done like this.
1st Plt. Comm. of the Warwolves
Member of Justice League
"People can't see Buddha so they say he doesn't have a body, since his body is formed of atoms, of course you can't see it. Saying he doesn't have a body is correct"- Li HongZhi
User avatar
Batman
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 16329
Joined: 2002-07-09 04:51am
Location: Seriously thinking about moving to Marvel because so much of the DCEU stinks

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Batman »

Did anybody working on this pay attention to anything that happened in Stark Trek before?
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'
User avatar
ray245
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 7954
Joined: 2005-06-10 11:30pm

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by ray245 »

Batman wrote: 2018-02-05 09:32pm Did anybody working on this pay attention to anything that happened in Stark Trek before?
I'm not sure if anyone in the production team cared about pesky little things like continuities. They quite clearly don't.
Humans are such funny creatures. We are selfish about selflessness, yet we can love something so much that we can hate something.
Prometheus Unbound
Jedi Master
Posts: 1141
Joined: 2007-09-28 06:46am

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Prometheus Unbound »

Batman wrote: 2018-02-05 07:07pm I thought Discovery was supposed to predate TOS by a decade or so?
'On stardate 4789.6 klingon vessels launched hypothermic charges'
That's in between s2/3 to early s3. The starting stardate for 'Where no man has gone before' is 1312.4

Elheru Aran wrote: 2018-02-05 07:22pm At this point, you expect them to care about continuity and consistency with prior incarnations?
Lol you guise.

http://startreklist.blogspot.co.uk/2011 ... ed_05.html

TOS couldn't even keep track.
NecronLord wrote:
Also, shorten your signature a couple of lines please.
User avatar
Elheru Aran
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 13073
Joined: 2004-03-04 01:15am
Location: Georgia

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Elheru Aran »

Prometheus Unbound wrote: 2018-02-06 09:50am
Batman wrote: 2018-02-05 07:07pm I thought Discovery was supposed to predate TOS by a decade or so?
'On stardate 4789.6 klingon vessels launched hypothermic charges'
That's in between s2/3 to early s3. The starting stardate for 'Where no man has gone before' is 1312.4

Elheru Aran wrote: 2018-02-05 07:22pm At this point, you expect them to care about continuity and consistency with prior incarnations?
Lol you guise.

http://startreklist.blogspot.co.uk/2011 ... ed_05.html

TOS couldn't even keep track.
If nothing else though it shows that the newer generation of Trek shows tried to be reasonably consistent with their use of stardates. So either this new show is incapable of keeping up with the continuity, they're doing it as a deliberate nod to TOS' randomness, or they simply don't care. Pick one...
It's a strange world. Let's keep it that way.
J Ryan
Youngling
Posts: 140
Joined: 2005-05-17 02:27pm
Location: Somewhere out there

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by J Ryan »

Elheru Aran wrote: 2018-02-06 10:02am
Prometheus Unbound wrote: 2018-02-06 09:50am
Batman wrote: 2018-02-05 07:07pm I thought Discovery was supposed to predate TOS by a decade or so?
'On stardate 4789.6 klingon vessels launched hypothermic charges'
That's in between s2/3 to early s3. The starting stardate for 'Where no man has gone before' is 1312.4

Elheru Aran wrote: 2018-02-05 07:22pm At this point, you expect them to care about continuity and consistency with prior incarnations?
Lol you guise.

http://startreklist.blogspot.co.uk/2011 ... ed_05.html

TOS couldn't even keep track.
If nothing else though it shows that the newer generation of Trek shows tried to be reasonably consistent with their use of stardates. So either this new show is incapable of keeping up with the continuity, they're doing it as a deliberate nod to TOS' randomness, or they simply don't care. Pick one...

Of course they care about numbers and dates! Didn't you hear Starbase 1 was 100 AU from Earth. Now that they've taken it over their almost practically at Earth's backyard! Discovery flew almost a light year to get there!

(For reference 100 AU would put that starbase at 2.5x the distance from the sun as Pluto so well within the Sol system. Guess they found planet x and weirdly enough it has an atmosphere and it appears oceans.)
Q99
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2105
Joined: 2015-05-16 01:33pm

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Q99 »

I really don't get why people making a show famous for using continuity-people before don't seem to have one.

Some creatives act like being tied down by continuity is a really bad thing, but what shows do we remember decades later? Those that built a world and where people stuck to it (at least most of the time).

It's really hard to say how Discovery will be remembered in 10-20 years, but I bet even if it's liked, it'll be a peg that sticks out from the rest- unless someone fully adopts it as a separate continuity and builds on just-it.
User avatar
Elheru Aran
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 13073
Joined: 2004-03-04 01:15am
Location: Georgia

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Elheru Aran »

Q99 wrote: 2018-02-06 12:00pm It's really hard to say how Discovery will be remembered in 10-20 years, but I bet even if it's liked, it'll be a peg that sticks out from the rest- unless someone fully adopts it as a separate continuity and builds on just-it.
Frankly this is probably the best thing they could do. "What a surprise guys, it's really NOT the Prime Timeline after all, things got flaky for a while there huh, this is Timeline X, we're starting a Next Generation Deep in Space Voyaging Series, come along for the ride..." It'd be stupid as fuck but honestly it'd help. Just a little, but it'd help.
It's a strange world. Let's keep it that way.
bilateralrope
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 5938
Joined: 2005-06-25 06:50pm
Location: New Zealand

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by bilateralrope »

It seems that the writers want to tell a story that would be a better story if it wasn't connected to Star Trek. My guess is that someone higher up decided that launching a new sci-fi series was too risky*, so slapped on the Star Trek label for marketing reasons.

*Didn't Discovery get some major overhaul at some point during production ?
It could be that when they dropped the original plan, they then grabbed plans for an original series and banged them into Star Trek rather than wasting what they had already spent on marketing.
Q99
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2105
Joined: 2015-05-16 01:33pm

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Q99 »

It got an overhaul, but from a more anthology-ish Trek series to what we have, it was always going to be Trek.

Plus, well, one of the main characters is tightly tied to Spock in a way that comes up a lot, and stuff like the Mirror Universe is very Trek. That's not the type of thing that comes from simply slapping on, it's more like they wanted to use *part* of Trek, but with a rather laissez faire attitude about it.


And the advertising it as main-timeline really highlights they don't get what that means to people *without* a laissez faire attitude, which seems to be a high source of the clashing. I've seen that happen a lot in a number of things, "I know, I'll use the old thing, but do it my own way to make it fresh," can be a serious problem if they don't consider the original enough.
User avatar
FaxModem1
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 7700
Joined: 2002-10-30 06:40pm
Location: In a dark reflection of a better world

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by FaxModem1 »

Watching the finale, and what do you know, Orion slave boys are canon.
Image
User avatar
applejack
Padawan Learner
Posts: 268
Joined: 2005-05-28 02:56am
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by applejack »

NCC 1701 under Pike shows up in the last couple of minutes.

Image

Image
Dear Lord, the gods have been good to me. As an offering, I present these milk and cookies. If you wish me to eat them instead, please give me no sign whatsoever *pauses* Thy will be done *munch munch munch*. - Homer Simpson
User avatar
Lord Revan
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 12211
Joined: 2004-05-20 02:23pm
Location: Zone:classified

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Lord Revan »

other then the size that does look like an update to modern standards of the connie should look like.
I may be an idiot, but I'm a tolerated idiot
"I think you completely missed the point of sigs. They're supposed to be completely homegrown in the fertile hydroponics lab of your mind, dried in your closet, rolled, and smoked...
Oh wait, that's marijuana..."Einhander Sn0m4n
User avatar
tezunegari
Jedi Knight
Posts: 692
Joined: 2008-11-13 12:44pm

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by tezunegari »

She has been resized or at least the view implies that and she does have the bridge-window the new designers are so fond of...

Image

beside that: I like her.

Now I want to see her insides.

edit: added image
"Bring your thousands, I have my axe."
"Bring your cannons, I have my armor."
"Bring your mighty... I am my own champion."
Cue Unit-01 ramming half the Lance of Longinus down Adam's head and a bemused Gendo, "Wrong end, son."
Ikari Gendo, NGE Fanfiction "Standing Tall"
User avatar
Knife
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 15769
Joined: 2002-08-30 02:40pm
Location: Behind the Zion Curtain

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Knife »

Dear god, they gave her her lines back. I want to watch THAT show please, not what ever the fuck Discovery is.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong

But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
Q99
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2105
Joined: 2015-05-16 01:33pm

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Q99 »

So, season over, final thoughts? Worth of the name Trek, still feel like an AU, good, bad, indifferent...?
houser2112
Padawan Learner
Posts: 464
Joined: 2006-04-07 07:21am
Location: Charlotte, NC

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by houser2112 »

I like the serial nature of the show. The episodic format is stale.

I like the reboot of the external aesthetics of the non-Discovery UFP ships, all of the UFP and Klingon interiors, and the UFP uniforms and equipment (although a slightly easier way to distinguish branch would be nice, just not the garish TOS/Kelvin uniforms). The Discovery and especially the Klingon ships and Klingons themselves are hideous. I like the updated Constitution class; it conforms to the updated visual style, but is still undoubtedly Connie.

I liked Lorca better when he was an unhinged Prime U character. Making him a Mirror U character diminishes him. Having him be the one to advocate genocide to end the war would have been much better. This would allow the UFP to double down on their principles when they take steps to prevent the plot instead of the sudden switch by the admiralty that actually happened. Why were there no consequences for Cornwell and Sarek for their part in it?

The season finale should have been a two-parter, because it happened too fast. I feel like there was a lot left on the cutting room floor. Give a WMD to a religious fanatic, and the Klingon ships just pull out? Even though they're in visual range of the home planet of the species they hate? At least have them attempt a half-hearted raid like they've been doing all along before they pull out to go squash this L'Rell bug that has resurfaced.

Burnham getting reinstated all the way from Specialist (What is this rank, anyway? Is it like a Warrant Officer, an enlisted rank, or even sub-enlisted?) to Commander? Putting her back in the officer ranks (even though she pretty much enjoyed officer status de facto if not de jure) at Ensign or Lieutenant would have been plenty to show their appreciation. She's still a mutineer, and that should have consequences.

<tangent>
I've been discussing the series with someone who's only watched the show, and he was confused about the timeline. It wasn't obvious to him that it was set before TOS, he thought it was much later. I haven't rewatched the early episodes, and it's hard for me to separate what I already knew about the series before it started. Does the show make clear when it occurs?
</tangent>
User avatar
Iroscato
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2359
Joined: 2011-02-07 03:04pm
Location: Great Britain (It's great, honestly!)

Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Iroscato »

Overall...it's a hard show to love. It had excellent moments, some engaging stories and interesting characters - but it kept on making these truly baffling decisions out of seemingly nowhere (making Sarek Michael's adoptive father to name the first of many that irked me).
I'm going to be optimistic and chalk up the haphazard nature of the first season as a result of too many cooks and a troubled production. I've definitely seen worse, and as time went on it started to more closely resemble Trek but with heavy updates.

A rather odd beast of a show, but one I'm happy to give another shot.
Yeah, I've always taken the subtext of the Birther movement to be, "The rules don't count here! This is different! HE'S BLACK! BLACK, I SAY! ARE YOU ALL BLIND!?

- Raw Shark

Destiny and fate are for those too weak to forge their own futures. Where we are 'supposed' to be is irrelevent.

- SirNitram (RIP)
Post Reply