Klingon armour- any good?

[saurc]

What is the function of Klingon armour.

I just watched an episode of DS9 where a drunk Klingon killed himself by falling on his knife.

We have also seen disruptor/phaser blasts getting through the armour pretty easily.

Stormtrooper armour protects them against chemicals, biological agents, space vacuum, shrapnel and primitive weapons. Klingon armour cannot even stop knives. They are inferior to chainmail.

So is Klingon armour purely ceremonial? ( Worf however calls it 'a warrior's armour' )

Also why are all non-military people wearing it- politicians, scientists, random people.
Is there any episode where Klingon armour has been of any good?

[Bounty]

Also why are all non-military people wearing it- politicians, scientists, random people.

Is it armour? Or is it just a uniform tailored to look like armour? If everybody wears it and it doesn't protect against weapons, I'd say it quacks like a duck.

To me it looks more like a padded vest - it'll help cushion blows and may turn lethal swipes into non-lethal ones, but it's hardly combat armour. Useful in a brawl, perhaps, and sturdy enough to withstand Klingon life, but not something you'd trust your life on.

[Stark]

It varies quite a bit and often seems to be nothing more than a padded or quilted vest with ridiculous shoulder addition (which is generally the only rigid part of the outfit). Given klingon religious conservatism it's probably some ancient costume.

[Lord Revan]

yeah to be it looked more like an ceremonial peice then actual funtional armor (and ofc Klingons being what they are image of an "honorble warrior" is waaaaaaay more important then any practicality and ofc only "honorble way" for a klingon to live is warrior so non-warriors wear the armor too).

[Bounty]

so non-warriors wear the armor too

They do? The Chef on DS9 wore a robe of some sort. Darok, Martok's aide, wore a sweater of some sort. Kor travelled in a fur... thing that sure as hell wasn't armour. In fact, I'm struggling to think of any non-warriors who wear the standard armour. Do you have any examples?

[Lord Revan]

tbh I can't remember apart from the Klingon high council (which might be considered a military post anyway), so I'm willing to conseed on that point.

[ExarKun]

What is the function of Klingon armour.

I just watched an episode of DS9 where a drunk Klingon killed himself by falling on his knife.

We have also seen disruptor/phaser blasts getting through the armour pretty easily.

Stormtrooper armour protects them against chemicals, biological agents, space vacuum, shrapnel and primitive weapons. Klingon armour cannot even stop knives. They are inferior to chainmail.

So is Klingon armour purely ceremonial? ( Worf however calls it 'a warrior's armour' )

Also why are all non-military people wearing it- politicians, scientists, random people.
Is there any episode where Klingon armour has been of any good?

Erm, I really doubt that the best Klingon unit would get wiped by a bunch of furry animals with sticks, so please, don't give me that crap about Stormtrooper armour.

As for Klingons armour, some of them have it, others don't, their outfits just look metalic.

[Samuel]

What is the function of Klingon armour.

I just watched an episode of DS9 where a drunk Klingon killed himself by falling on his knife.

We have also seen disruptor/phaser blasts getting through the armour pretty easily.

Stormtrooper armour protects them against chemicals, biological agents, space vacuum, shrapnel and primitive weapons. Klingon armour cannot even stop knives. They are inferior to chainmail.

So is Klingon armour purely ceremonial? ( Worf however calls it 'a warrior's armour' )

Also why are all non-military people wearing it- politicians, scientists, random people.
Is there any episode where Klingon armour has been of any good?

Erm, I really doubt that the best Klingon unit would get wiped by a bunch of furry animals with sticks, so please, don't give me that crap about Stormtrooper armour.

As for Klingons armour, some of them have it, others don't, their outfits just look metalic.

I call first shot!

First, we have Klingon warriors being beaten up... by a pregnant women. Being beaten by teddy bears that use numbers, human wave attacks and are strong enough to move logs is a slightly different situation.

Not to mention stormtrooper armor has never been seen to be shot up- only the flexible part.

[Batman]

Shot up by a species that are considerably STRONGER than humans. Once more the chimpanzee comparison comes to mind. Ewoks are much smaller than humans and furred so they can naturally not be considerably stronger...

[Bounty]

First, we have Klingon warriors being beaten up... by a pregnant women.

Nitpick alert: the actress playing Kira was pregnant. The character wasn't.

Erm, I really doubt that the best Klingon unit would get wiped by a bunch of furry animals with sticks

Because they fight smally furry animals without sticks

[lord Martiya]

But had superior numbers, knew the terrain better and had Chewbacca and a pair of crazy Ewoks who stole an AT-ST, eliminated their armor support and gave the support TO THE EWOKS. And still, the Ewoks took high losses.

[Bounty]

Is this really going to turn into another Ewok sploogefest? Isn't there a HOS thread you can just link to? Or several?

[Darth Wong]

Is this really going to turn into another Ewok sploogefest? Isn't there a HOS thread you can just link to? Or several?

Exar Kun is just a trolling idiot. Anyone with half a brain would know that Klingons would realistically get their asses handed to them by just about anybody in sci-fi, including stormtroopers. The whole Ewok thing is mostly cited by people who haven't actually watched that battle in years, and have completely forgotten that it was actually just a small group of a few dozen men who were caught unawares while lined up in parade formation because they had successfully captured all of the hostiles known to them.

Klingon armour is definitely a joke; you never really see it do anything at all. It seems to serve the same purpose as the football pads worn by the desert rabble in the Mad Max movies: to make the wearer look like a bad-ass by giving him rugged-looking shoulder pads, while providing no serious protection at all.

[ExarKun]

I never said anything about Klingons being better than anybody else. I just pointed out the op's assessment of stormtrooper armour protecting them from primitive weapons is not correct, you made up the rest of the argument.

And you sound like a fanboy making lousy excuses for them. I would be more inclined to agree with you if you said that the Emperor was faking the whole speech to Luke and that that Legion was a bunch of raw recruits in practice uniforms.

Because if that armour protected them against primitive weapons, they sure as hell woudn't be taken down by a bunch of animals with arrows and spears ffs, whether they were a small group on parade or not.

[Stark]

Here we learn that 'armour effective' = 'makes you totally invincible so you can win regardless of tactical surprise, numbers, confusion, lack of leadership, etc'. We also learn that ExarKun is an idiot because the stormies recovered from the ambush and chased the Ewoks into the woods; they quickly broke out of the encirclement and they weren't 'taken down'.

I guess 'has effective armour' = 'can never take casualties', too.

[ExarKun]

Where is this "armour effectiveness" coming from. Here we learn that you are an idiot because you put words into people's mouths to win an argument that cannot be won. The op clearly states that it protects them from primitive weapons, it either does, or it does not. On screen evidence, it does not, otherwise, they wouldn't even need to "recover from ambush" in the first place. Imagine today's platoon or two getting ambushed by slow-moving midgets with sticks and badly designed bows. It would be over in less then a minute.

[Stark]

'Protects against' = 'never get injured by ever'. Anyone got a screenshot of the wave of arrows that cause zero casualties? No, let's focus on that one guy that got shot in between the plates.

The idea that you think a 'platoon' being 'ambushed' would be able to eliminate their attackers (dozens of infantry in woods with camo) in 'minutes' is fucking laughable. Remember Vietnam? Remember Afghanistan? I'm trying to forget it!

[Batman]

I never said anything about Klingons being better than anybody else. I just pointed out the op's assessment of stormtrooper armour protecting them from primitive weapons is not correct,

Err yes it is. Show me a single incidence of arrows penetrating the actual armour.

Because if that armour protected them against primitive weapons,

It doesn't MATTER how primitive the weapons are. If they do enough damage, THEY WORK.

they sure as hell woudn't be taken down by a bunch of animals with arrows and spears ffs, whether they were a small group on parade or not.

They WEREN'T. The Ewoks got their asses handed to them until Chewie managed to hijack the AT-ST.

[Darth Wong]

I never said anything about Klingons being better than anybody else. I just pointed out the op's assessment of stormtrooper armour protecting them from primitive weapons is not correct, you made up the rest of the argument.

Based on what, fucktard? The fact that it didn't make them completely invulnerable? You have a childish notion of what armour is supposed to do. It doesn't make you completely immune to any conceivable impact; it just provides a degree of protection which is intended to increase your probability of survival. You can wear any combat helmet made today, and I could still take you down by clobbering you on the head with a primitive medieval war hammer. Especially if I had the strength of a bear.

And you sound like a fanboy making lousy excuses for them. I would be more inclined to agree with you if you said that the Emperor was faking the whole speech to Luke and that that Legion was a bunch of raw recruits in practice uniforms.

The "entire legion" was not there, moron. Watch the goddamned movie; it is only a few dozen men, many of whom are actually scout troopers, with no heavy armour support and no heavy weapons. Remember the big AT-AT walker we saw earlier in the film? Not there.

Do you have eyes in that thick skull of yours? Or do you have some Trektard dictating the events of the movie to you while you stumble about in blindness? Or perhaps you're just too damned stupid to realize that there's an entire legion on the whole fucking planet, not all in that one clearing.

Because if that armour protected them against primitive weapons, they sure as hell woudn't be taken down by a bunch of animals with arrows and spears ffs, whether they were a small group on parade or not.

Again, you're an idiot. A primitive slinger from 3000 years ago could still take out a modern soldier if he scores a hit on his head. It doesn't mean modern body armour is shit.

[Lord Pounder]

If Klingons are so superior to Stormies how come the Klingon Empire was nearly destroyed by Tribbles? Yes fucking Tribbles. At least Ewoks where mobile and had weapons and a very good grasp of guerilla tactics, what where the Tribbles armed with exactly?

[Samuel]

If Klingons are so superior to Stormies how come the Klingon Empire was nearly destroyed by Tribbles? Yes fucking Tribbles. At least Ewoks where mobile and had weapons and a very good grasp of guerilla tactics, what where the Tribbles armed with exactly?

They were a pest that ate food. No food and people starve.

[Darth Wong]

Who cares about Tribbles? They prefer to holster their sidearms and charge in with knives. How anyone in his right mind can defend the Klingons as an infantry fighting force is beyond me.

[The Romulan Republic]

If Klingons are so superior to Stormies how come the Klingon Empire was nearly destroyed by Tribbles? Yes fucking Tribbles. At least Ewoks where mobile and had weapons and a very good grasp of guerilla tactics, what where the Tribbles armed with exactly?

You know, if we're going to argue stormtroopers are better soldiers than Klingons, or attack the effectiveness of Klingon warriors in general, we can do a hell of a lot better than this. The Klingons never went charging in to the Tribble hords Bat'leths a-swinging (at least not that we've seen ). Its already been said, but Tribbles are a pest. If you were arguing that a tribe of African warriors couldn't fight, would you defend your position by saying that locusts ate their crops? Would you say Medieval armies sucked because so many of their people will killed by the Black Death? I mean, they can't fight, they lost to a bunch of microscopic beings!

All of which is iggnoring the fact that, according to DS9, the Klingons genocided the Tribbles until some were brought back from the past.

[Batman]

Sarcasm. It's a difficult concept.

[The Romulan Republic]

Sarcasm. It's a difficult concept.

Sarcasm. Its hard to pick up on over the internet. (didn't we even have a thread on that exact topic?)