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Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-03 11:38am
by Ted C
I think Wylde's comment has been torn into enough shreds, so I'll skip to the "display blast" torpedoes.

Surely those torpedoes couldn't have been detonating with kilotons of energy release, could they? The Ligonians had more advanced technology than ours (having their own transporters and all), so multiple nuclear explosions above the atmosphere should have hit them with a really nasty EMP, and there was no sign of that.

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-03 07:49pm
by Cesario
Possibly part of what being a display blast was included some measure to dampen the EMP. That also might help indicate why the visuals put the torpedoes where they did. 1000 meters above their highest satelite maybe?

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-03 08:07pm
by Batman
There might simply not have been any EMP effects if the torpedoes went of high enough (ignoring that a society much more technologically advanced than real world us might simply have their electronics-or whatever they use instead, which is another factor that might play into it- shielded against that). For Modern Day Earth, '1000 metres above their highest satellite' (while likely incompatible as hell with the visuals would mean 36,001 kilometres. Even full-force MT range photorps wouldn't cause an EMP at that range.

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-03 09:24pm
by Cesario
Just always looking for a more satisfying explaination than "everyone on the show is an idiot".

Not that having to sit still and be quiet in this situation wouldn't make anyone lose a few IQ points. I certainly feel stupider for having watched this episode.

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-03 09:30pm
by Batman
Yeah. I mean I'm totally on record for trying to make Trek look good.

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-03 09:35pm
by Cesario
That's alright, Batman. There's probably no help for this episode. My poor brain just keeps trying to find something of value.

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-03 09:42pm
by Batman
Cesario wrote:That's alright, Batman. There's probably no help for this episode. My poor brain just keeps trying to find something of value.
You'd probably consider me on the Warstard side of the Vs debate and if I had my druthers I'd, to use the WH40 term, purge most of the EU with fire :D

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-07 06:13am
by CaptainChewbacca
So I see these episodes are 'dedicated' to people, how does that work? Do folks give him $10 or what?

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-07 06:20am
by Crazedwraith
CaptainChewbacca wrote:So I see these episodes are 'dedicated' to people, how does that work? Do folks give him $10 or what?
$50 and up
Depending if you want a single episode, a two-parter or a film.

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-07 07:15am
by Flameblade
Crazedwraith wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:So I see these episodes are 'dedicated' to people, how does that work? Do folks give him $10 or what?
$50 and up
Depending if you want a single episode, a two-parter or a film.
Huh. Anyone know why he lists Buffy as a "will not do"?

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-07 10:25am
by Stofsk
Maybe because Buffy is shit.

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-07 10:51am
by andrewgpaul
Probably because it won't be worth the bitching from the fanbase. Or he's just sick of it. :)

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-07 10:55am
by Crazedwraith
Or just for the same reason he was reluctant to Stargate, he's not familiar enough with the material to do it justice.

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-07 09:14pm
by VF5SS
Do you really need Chuck to validate your own opinions :v

I kinda wanted to ask for The Ultimate Computer

or some cool Japanese movie like the Gundam trilogy of some LoGH

but jeez that's a lot of money

I wish people gave me that for my reviews :x

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-07 09:53pm
by Bob the Gunslinger
Alyeska wrote: Also, the Mirror Universe books made mention of this episode. The ISS Enterprise visited this planet looking for the same cure. They were put through the same initial trials. Mirror Enterprise sterilized the southern hemisphere in retaliation.
What book did this happen in? There's a whole series?

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-07 11:11pm
by Ahriman238
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:
Alyeska wrote: Also, the Mirror Universe books made mention of this episode. The ISS Enterprise visited this planet looking for the same cure. They were put through the same initial trials. Mirror Enterprise sterilized the southern hemisphere in retaliation.
What book did this happen in? There's a whole series?
Yes there is. We see the birth of hope, the resistance from DS9, after years of trila and struggle, overcome their foes, the Alliance.

And then the Mirror-Dominion shows up...

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-08 07:49am
by edaw1982
Alyeska wrote:Mirror Enterprise sterilized the southern hemisphere in retaliation.

As soon as I read that, I cracked up. Good on them, I mean you don't nick someone's security officer (or any crewman for that matter) without expecting some sort of reprisal.

Almost as stupid as the whole 'Oh no you stepped on the grass we must kill you' episode, neverminding the crew wouldn't know such a silly law imposed for natives of the planet...but Kirk would've rescued his crew with a beam up and tried to get the hell out of dodge.

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-08 02:23pm
by JME2
Ahriman238 wrote:
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:
Alyeska wrote: Also, the Mirror Universe books made mention of this episode. The ISS Enterprise visited this planet looking for the same cure. They were put through the same initial trials. Mirror Enterprise sterilized the southern hemisphere in retaliation.
What book did this happen in? There's a whole series?
Yes there is. We see the birth of hope, the resistance from DS9, after years of trila and struggle, overcome their foes, the Alliance.
To expand on Ahriman's answer, while there have been a few novels set in the Mirror Universe, they've usually been stand-alone or contradictory. That changed a couple of years ago with the debut of a new novel line, Star Trek: Mirror Universe. The series kicked off with two anthologies (Glass Empires and Obsidian Shards) which expanded on the Mirror Universe and explored its history while setting up a cohesive storyline that begins in the TOS-era MU and continues into the present day.

The initial anthologies were followed one more anthology (Shards and Shadows) and The Sorrows of Empire (an expansion of one of the novellas from Glass Empires) -- in addition to several crossovers with the DS9 relaunch. The storyline came to a head last month in David Mack's Rise Like Lions -- and based on what he described, it's left the MU in an interesting predicament for future novels.

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-08 02:44pm
by Bob the Gunslinger
Are they actually any good, though?

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-08 02:52pm
by JME2
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Are they actually any good, though?
I've only read the first anthologies; I need to get caught up on my Trek literature.

However, I reviewed Glass Empires and Obsidian Shards back in 2007.

Overall, I thought they were pretty good and still think so. The best of these stories are "Age of the Empress" (picking up where ENT's "In a Mirror Darkly" left off and which starts transitioning the ENT-era Terran Empire into its TOS-counterpart) and "Sorrorws of Empire" (which shows the decline of Terran Empire and presents a massive plot twist that sets up the story running into the present day, as mentioned before).

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-08 03:00pm
by Crazedwraith
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:
Alyeska wrote: Also, the Mirror Universe books made mention of this episode. The ISS Enterprise visited this planet looking for the same cure. They were put through the same initial trials. Mirror Enterprise sterilized the southern hemisphere in retaliation.
What book did this happen in? There's a whole series?
Alyeska's referring to Diane Duane's Dark Mirror which is a stand alone book, set in a TNG Mirror Universe, where the Empire did not collapse as per DS9.

And It's entirely unrelated to the Mirror Universe novels everyone else has proceeded to talk about, which are based on DS9's Mirror Universe.

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-08 05:40pm
by Bright
VF5SS wrote:Do you really need Chuck to validate your own opinions :v

I kinda wanted to ask for The Ultimate Computer

or some cool Japanese movie like the Gundam trilogy of some LoGH
If I was rich, I'd ask him to review End of Evangelion.

Alas...

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-08 08:48pm
by CaptainChewbacca
How good/bad is the Mirror Universe dominion?

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-08 10:48pm
by JME2
Bright wrote:
VF5SS wrote:Do you really need Chuck to validate your own opinions :v

I kinda wanted to ask for The Ultimate Computer

or some cool Japanese movie like the Gundam trilogy of some LoGH
If I was rich, I'd ask him to review End of Evangelion.
Heh. :twisted:

Re: OTNGEG: Code of Honor

Posted: 2012-01-09 12:29am
by Darth Tedious
CaptainChewbacca wrote:How good/bad is the Mirror Universe dominion?
Yeah, what? Wouldn't the Mirror Dominion be really nice or something?