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Re: OVEG: Macrocosm

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But why would Fox sue Paramount for calling a monster a "parasite"? Fox doesn't even own a property named "parasite" and even if they did it's much too generic of a term to claim as trademark violation.

If this has anything to do with the Alien franchise, then you're making an insanely autistic leap in logic.
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Sidewinder wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:But
Or was Paramount (or whoever the hell came up with this macroscopic virus idea) paralyzed by fear that 20th Century Fox would sue their pants off if they call the monster-of-the-week a "parasite"?[/
is assuming a great many things.

It assumes that Paramount had any say except giving ST cash to create the episode and further assumes that Paramount feared retribution from Fox for the use of the word PARASITE.

So dumbfuck are you going to back up your assumptions? Or are you again not, and slink away?
Paramount did have a say in ST, as demonstrated by the change they ordered in the ending of "Dear Doctor".
Memory Alpha wrote:The ending was changed by UPN who wanted Phlox and Archer in total agreement, rather than retain the original ending which left Archer and Phlox in conflict. John Billingsley who plays Phlox had touched on this in an interview. "The ending that had initially been created (for the episode) I was fairly comfortable with. But the head of the studio suggested some revisions on the ending. What do you do? I wasn't as happy with the revisions, but it's not my show, you have to sort of adjust, even if sometimes it does seem a bit of a contradiction in terms for what your character is supposed to be about. In the original ending in this crisis of conscience, the Doctor essentially does something that violates the standard issue hierarchical obligations of a crewmember to his captain. In effect, he makes a decision that's rooted in 'I've got bigger fish to fry', rather than honoring his captain's wishes. The network essentially felt that no, it was important to essentially make sure that everyone was here to support the captain's decisions. Personally, I thought, 'Well, I think you've kind of lost something interesting in this potential tension. But, that's not my call.'"
Not to mention the fact that, as the copyright holders, they had the authority to order the producers to make changes if they bothered to keep an eye on the production, just as George Lucas had the authority to order Karen Traviss to stop wanking Mandalorians (an authority he exercised when he ordered Anakin Solo's death) if he bothered to proofread any of her works.
So let me get this straight when asked for proof that Fox would sue Paramount, you give nothing. You instead give a time they did interfere but over a STORYLINE choice. Nothing more. Not a choice of legal matter, but a fucking storyline point that would not result in any legal action.

Then you use a completely unrelated pet peeve of yours as another issue.

So you thinking actually harassing the moderator and presenting this as your proof that you are not a fucking idiot is a defense? I'll be honest, present something that isn't the same wild supposition that directly pertains Fox suing them or this is pretty much it.
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Sidewinder, your complaint report has been closed. In fact, I would say that this is the most incredible abuse of the Report button I've seen in quite a while. You said:
Or was Paramount (or whoever the hell came up with this macroscopic virus idea) paralyzed by fear that 20th Century Fox would sue their pants off if they call the monster-of-the-week a "parasite"?
You may complain that GR was excessively rude when he attacked you for that statement, but like it or not, it was an absolutely idiotic statement to claim that 20th Century Fox might seriously have a copyright on the word "parasite". And we do not have rules against insulting people for making idiotic statements. How the fuck is it a "vendetta" to call someone an idiot when he says something that only an idiot would say?
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Darth Wong wrote: You may complain that GR was excessively rude when he attacked you for that statement, but like it or not, it was an absolutely idiotic statement to claim that 20th Century Fox might seriously have a copyright on the word "parasite". And we do not have rules against insulting people for making idiotic statements. How the fuck is it a "vendetta" to call someone an idiot when he says something that only an idiot would say?
The only place they would even remotely need to worry about suing over the use of the word parasite might be DC. Parasite is a Superman villain.
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Isolder74 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:You may complain that GR was excessively rude when he attacked you for that statement, but like it or not, it was an absolutely idiotic statement to claim that 20th Century Fox might seriously have a copyright on the word "parasite". And we do not have rules against insulting people for making idiotic statements. How the fuck is it a "vendetta" to call someone an idiot when he says something that only an idiot would say?
The only place they would even remotely need to worry about suing over the use of the word parasite might be DC. Parasite is a Superman villain.
Microsoft failed in its attempt to take ownership of the word "Windows", so it's safe to say DC has absolutely no chance of taking ownership of the word "Parasite". The whole idea of copyrighting a standard English word is pure idiocy.
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Read about Operation RYAN and the Soviet response to the Able Archer 83 exercise. Picture 20th Century Fox in the US role, and Paramount in the Soviets, and consider the time frame. "Macrocosm" was broadcast in 1996. Alien Resurrection has been in preproduction since at least 1995, when Bryan Singer was approached as a director. The scenario doesn't require Fox to threaten Paramount- Fox doesn't even need to be aware of the Voyager franchise's existence- the scenario only requires Paramount to be aware of Fox's plans to resurrect the Alien franchise, and to be afraid viewers would mentally associate the "macrovirus" idea and the xenomorph.
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How the fuck does any of this validate your asinine idea that FOX might own the word "parasite"? Are you some kind of professional point-evader?
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Re: OVEG: Macrocosm

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Sidewinder wrote:Read about Operation RYAN and the Soviet response to the Able Archer 83 exercise. Picture 20th Century Fox in the US role, and Paramount in the Soviets, and consider the time frame. "Macrocosm" was broadcast in 1996. Alien Resurrection has been in preproduction since at least 1995, when Bryan Singer was approached as a director. The scenario doesn't require Fox to threaten Paramount- Fox doesn't even need to be aware of the Voyager franchise's existence- the scenario only requires Paramount to be aware of Fox's plans to resurrect the Alien franchise, and to be afraid viewers would mentally associate the "macrovirus" idea and the xenomorph.
So let me get this straight. You:

1. Abuse the warning feature in a method that I have never seen. Latest was Ray accusing another poster and wanted immediate attention even if his own postion was flawed. But that pales in comparison to accusing me of conducting a vendetta against you because I've called you an idiot. Mike has a point, you can call me rude, but the fact remains you are conducting actions of an idiot.

2. Instead of presenting direct proof, you present twice your personal suppositions of conspiracy events in regard to said event. The first being that Paramount changed something for a pure storyline change that reflected upon character interaction. The second being that it now requires Paramount being so paranoid over another franchise that they would not use a general use word.

Again, this is your proof that you are not an idiot? So, really do you have any proof that you were not abusing a button and actually breaking a whole slew of rules? C'mon I can wait given that you are providing this level of entertainment.
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