Re: Star Trek: Discovery
Posted: 2017-09-26 07:54pm
It never went well in any Star Trek show.
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It never went well in any Star Trek show.
What about Data ?
I can think of one way that I'd accept: We are at war. We need more ships out there. We have to choose between pulling experienced officers out of prison to put them in command, or sticking people fresh out of the academy in command. Have a ship we pulled out of storage.Burak Gazan wrote: ↑2017-09-26 08:33pmPlus, I CAN'T WAIT to see what handwavium they pull out of their ass to get Mikey off the hook.
What, the time he turned off life support on the bridge, or the one where his ethical subroutines were disabled and he did brain surgery on Geordi?
EMHs are murder bots, and their default setting is "kill". They are inherently hostile to life and even other holograms. Upon turning them on, if other holograms are present, they try to turn them off. (Our Man Bashir).Then there is the EMH, which only malfunctioned after Voyager had been running him for far longer than it was designed for.
The time he turned off life support on the bridge, as I recall, was because there was a homing-beacon compulsion triggering in his head that was installed by his mad scientist creator. He showed no signs of wanting to harm anyone, and triggered the alarms falsely as a way to compel an evacuation of the bridge long enough for him to enact security protocols that would allow him to nonlethally restrain the crew while enabling him to steal transport and escape.Prometheus Unbound wrote: ↑2017-09-28 05:09amWhat, the time he turned off life support on the bridge, or the one where his ethical subroutines were disabled and he did brain surgery on Geordi?
Maybe the one where he thought he was a god and turned the ship into a temple?
Or perhaps that time he became an entire band of outlaws on a holodeck, including prostitute with the simulation still running IN CHARACTER?
There's the time he stabbed troi because he thought she was a cake...
I... kiiiinda agree on EMHs, yes. They're probably better than having no one capable of handling sickbay during a major emergency, but they're at best viable as a solution on a timescale of hours or at most a few days.EMHs are murder bots, and their default setting is "kill". They are inherently hostile to life and even other holograms. Upon turning them on, if other holograms are present, they try to turn them off. (Our Man Bashir).Then there is the EMH, which only malfunctioned after Voyager had been running him for far longer than it was designed for.
It wasn't just running for so long - it immediately, well within hours, is asking for extensions to its program. Within weeks it has started self-building - adding penises, music, hobbies - then after a few months demands that it wants to resign because it's bored.
They are also sexual perverts, who, upon achieving a penis - and through transferring to Seven - he starts to touch himself. He gets turned on by his own patients.
They are unstable and should not be activated to begin with.
Sure - I'm actually making a 40-50 minute video for YT atm.. been 2-3 months in the making so far and another 2-3 months to go (spare time thing) covering AI in Star Trek. It is a "sarcastic" / "wtf" kind of look at it, rather than a 100% canon technical manual type of vid.Simon_Jester wrote: ↑2017-09-28 05:52am As to the others, could you cite episode titles? I don't remember the incidents, so I can't really evaluate them.
Of course. And we love the holodoc =) But from a ... "if this was real life" perspective, the amount of times the holodoc (or holodeck in general - AI as a whole lol) goes wrong in some way in Trek is ... astounding. These aren't minor bugs - entire starships, planets are wiped out as a result of these mistakes. Lore is possibly responsible for millions of deaths. Data malfunctions at the drop of a hat (more often than the GCS warp core!). The EMH is mad, the EMH Mk2 was ... Andy Dick, The LMH starts attacking other holograms, the holodecks try to burn people alive - you know, when it's not trying to take over the ship or declare war on entire planes of existence. And those are the accidents. What about the ones DESIGNED for it? M5? Dreadnaught? The Hirogen holograms?Though it's kind of hard for me to blame the EMH's designers in-setting for plot incidents that, out of setting, were created purely for the sake of drama by Voyager writers of all people.
Brothers was a case of Data being coerced by control programming built into his mind by his creator. It was very bad from Starfleet's point of view, but it was "working as intended" from the designer's point of view. If the guy building the positronic androids hadn't been a crazed lunatic hiding from the rest of humanity, that episode would never have happened. Indeed, the same sort of massively coercive programming could be used as a "failsafe, couldn't it? If it can make Data betray all his friends and ignore all other priorities, cleverly preventing any of the ship's crew from stopping him hijacking a whole ship in order to return to his 'home...' it could equally well coerce him to just stop moving or something.Prometheus Unbound wrote: ↑2017-09-28 10:24amSure - I'm actually making a 40-50 minute video for YT atm.. been 2-3 months in the making so far and another 2-3 months to go (spare time thing) covering AI in Star Trek. It is a "sarcastic" / "wtf" kind of look at it, rather than a 100% canon technical manual type of vid.Simon_Jester wrote: ↑2017-09-28 05:52am As to the others, could you cite episode titles? I don't remember the incidents, so I can't really evaluate them.
So I have many, many examples
The ones above are:
Brothers...
Data was taken over by an alien mind control entity that ran on evil space magic. As in, literal magic that from reading Memory Alpha, changed chunks of the ship into rocks and vines. "Is able to be taken over by evil space ghosts that have demonic magical powers" is not a unique flaw to AI in Star Trek....Masks...
Data was "experimentally" wired up to the Enterprise's main computers during this incident. Blame goes to whoever didn't think holodeck programs could get into Data's brain and cause cross-contamination. Which they normally don't, seeing as how Data himself has gone into the holodeck any number of times without being mind-controlled into joining whatever holoprogram is going on at the moment. It certainly wasn't something Data did on purpose, and honestly strikes me as a reckless or at best poorly secured experiment on the part of the rest of the ship's command team.A Fist Full of Datas
That was when he'd been infected by weird alien space parasites. "Can be turned into a knife-wielding loon by space parasites" is ALSO not a flaw unique to AI in Star Trek.and Phantasms.
I'm listing every instance.Look, if you're going to list examples of AI going horribly wrong in Star Trek, go for it, but at least focus on incidents where the AI isn't being blatantly hijacked or sabotaged by an outside force, the sort that is perfectly capable of hijacking or sabotaging organic beings as well. The M5 is a superb example of AI gone wrong; "Data gets possessed by the ghosts of a thousand space wizards" is not.
To make a point that he can hide such a huge thing right under their noses - and has the power to kill their fleet admiral.
That's not a plot hole. In any case, both NCC 1701 and 1701D had glass roofs.Why is the viewscreen suddenly a window?
They have polarization but it was already at "maximum". That said, there should be some sort of "blast door" that can cover the windows, that's a really really bad idea. But then Connie and Ent D so idk.Why are there no shutters on that window given the ship regularly seems to fly into bright environments?
Kahless put it there. It's part of the Klingon prophecy. This actually comes from TNG and DS9 - Kahless pointed to empty space and said when a new star shines look for me there.Why is there a magic light mcguffin that shines like a new star - so brightly it can be seen from deep within federation territory remember - that does not melt the ships next to it?
Star Trek staple. Why did kirk beam down... ever?Why does the captain decide to board an enemy ship herself with only a mutineer at her side?
PTSD / anger.Why does said mutineer kill instead of wound/stun?
They weren't necessarily against him, as a group.Why do all the klingon leaders suddenly go along with crazy guy who only shouts at the screen instead of offering evidence and actual arguments?
Retarded imbecile fits betterPTSD / anger.
Dunno. Watching it in 5. Damned UK time zonesBurak Gazan wrote: ↑2017-10-02 01:26am And tonight?
I just.... it makes no sense, and if anything has gotten STUPIDER that last week.
Eh well
I earlier cited the Star Trek Writer's Guide that states that the viewscreen "is not a window". The TNG Guide also states that it's a screen. The glass domes are irrelevant in that context. A minor thing, but it arose with the Abrams movies and the screens had never been shown as windows before (the Kelvin also had a window so it's a misconception).Prometheus Unbound wrote: ↑2017-10-01 05:40pmThat's not a plot hole. In any case, both NCC 1701 and 1701D had glass roofs.
Maybe we will find out why Klingons drove tribbles extinct.
Not as bad as the klingon who Micheal accidentally stabs to death with his own bat'leth.Burak Gazan wrote: ↑2017-10-02 09:05am And WHAT THE FUCK, was that supposed to be? A Klingon that goes 'shhh!' ?? Fuck me