Star Trek: Discovery Season 2 Review Thread *spoilers*

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery Season 2 Review Thread *spoilers*

Post by Vendetta » 2019-02-06 04:00pm

Lord Revan wrote:
2019-02-03 11:32am
bilateralrope wrote:
2019-02-03 11:30am
An unknown thing is causing a crewmember to experience specific hallucinations that are having conversations with her. Do you:
a: Talk with it to see what it wants.
b: Go to sickbay to see what the doctors suggest.
c: Hook the crewmember up to the brainscanner and try to suck it out of her chest without giving any of the ships doctors a chance to prepare for it going wrong.

Are there any other Trek crews who would have thought that c was a good idea ?
depending on the characters involved pretty much every single one of them.
And it would only have gone horribly wrong if they were doing it to Harry Kim.

Also but by god the Klingons look better with their hair back on. The combination of baldies plus big elaborate armour with shoulderpads borrowed from warcraft last season made their heads look tiny.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery Season 2 Review Thread *spoilers*

Post by tezunegari » 2019-02-10 10:22am

An Obol for Charon...

So the Spore drive is now the new clean way of space travel because Dilithium mining destroys worlds?! Instead of being, you know, bloody faster than anything seen before allowing more exploration?

The reason why the Spore drive cannot be used in the future is some alien claims that Discovery damaged their ecology? And Stamets just goes "We have to seal of the Spore Network!" immediately? Even in TNG it took time and evidence before Starfleet reacted to the claim that Warp drive damages subspace.

And Saru lost his threat ganglia... what are the odds that the Kelpians are actually young Ba'ul instead of food?

I really liked the alien mystery in this one.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery Season 2 Review Thread *spoilers*

Post by AniThyng » 2019-02-10 11:50am

tezunegari wrote:
2019-02-10 10:22am
An Obol for Charon...

So the Spore drive is now the new clean way of space travel because Dilithium mining destroys worlds?! Instead of being, you know, bloody faster than anything seen before allowing more exploration?

The reason why the Spore drive cannot be used in the future is some alien claims that Discovery damaged their ecology? And Stamets just goes "We have to seal of the Spore Network!" immediately? Even in TNG it took time and evidence before Starfleet reacted to the claim that Warp drive damages subspace.

And Saru lost his threat ganglia... what are the odds that the Kelpians are actually young Ba'ul instead of food?

I really liked the alien mystery in this one.
Gotta admit that Jet Reno's comebacks to Stamets were so on point I'd say the writers were well aware of just how silly the extremist green position can be...
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery Season 2 Review Thread *spoilers*

Post by bilateralrope » 2019-02-11 06:55am

Has there been any behind the scenes changes to the people working on Discovery ?

Because those few lines about the holographic communication system being how the Enterprise remains disabled and Starfleet responding by ripping it out feels like someone who wants to fix that continuity problem suddenly having the power to do so. It's a good fix.
tezunegari wrote:
2019-02-10 10:22am
The reason why the Spore drive cannot be used in the future is some alien claims that Discovery damaged their ecology? And Stamets just goes "We have to seal of the Spore Network!" immediately? Even in TNG it took time and evidence before Starfleet reacted to the claim that Warp drive damages subspace.
Stamets made the decision to seal it off while drugged. He wasn't thinking straight.
AniThyng wrote:
2019-02-10 11:50am
Gotta admit that Jet Reno's comebacks to Stamets were so on point I'd say the writers were well aware of just how silly the extremist green position can be...
I see a comparison to organic farming. There are a lot of people claiming that organic farming is better for the environment than industrialized farming. While ignoring that organic farming is going to need a lot more land converted to farms to feed everyone.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery Season 2 Review Thread *spoilers*

Post by tezunegari » 2019-02-11 03:15pm

bilateralrope wrote:
2019-02-11 06:55am
Has there been any behind the scenes changes to the people working on Discovery ?

Because those few lines about the holographic communication system being how the Enterprise remains disabled and Starfleet responding by ripping it out feels like someone who wants to fix that continuity problem suddenly having the power to do so. It's a good fix.
IIRC they removed most of the writers and had to rewrite most of the first 5 episodes because of creative disagreement.
bilateralrope wrote:
2019-02-11 06:55am
tezunegari wrote:
2019-02-10 10:22am
The reason why the Spore drive cannot be used in the future is some alien claims that Discovery damaged their ecology? And Stamets just goes "We have to seal of the Spore Network!" immediately? Even in TNG it took time and evidence before Starfleet reacted to the claim that Warp drive damages subspace.
Stamets made the decision to seal it off while drugged. He wasn't thinking straight.
IIRC Stamets injected the counteragent prior talking to "May" and being informed about the "ecological damage".
bilateralrope wrote:
2019-02-11 06:55am
AniThyng wrote:
2019-02-10 11:50am
Gotta admit that Jet Reno's comebacks to Stamets were so on point I'd say the writers were well aware of just how silly the extremist green position can be...
I see a comparison to organic farming. There are a lot of people claiming that organic farming is better for the environment than industrialized farming. While ignoring that organic farming is going to need a lot more land converted to farms to feed everyone.
Or that you'll need planets worth of Spores to fuel an interstellar empire full of Spore drive ships.
A better solution to the Dilithium problem would be better refinement (if quality of crystals is a thing) and recrystalisation to extent the lifecycle of crystals.
They essentially only shift the problem to a different ressource by developing the Spore Drive.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery Season 2 Review Thread *spoilers*

Post by Iroscato » 2019-02-12 05:22pm

Well, after the dismembered baby heads and sexual abuse overtones of the previous episode, I'm glad this week felt like another properly reimagined classic Trek yarn. Apart from the bollocks with Spock and the overarching plot (I never thought I'd say this but fuck I miss when things didn't have to be so serialised and interconnected) I really enjoyed it.
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Post by Grand Moff Yenchin » 2019-02-17 08:27pm

Has Section 31 been at this level of clearance? I can understand a captain of an advanced ship, and a security officer (despite being Klingon spy) knowing it, but how about someone like Michael, who by just looking at a black badge know?

To be fair, it seems that they only know the organization and have no idea of anything beyond.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery Season 2 Review Thread *spoilers*

Post by Imperial Overlord » 2019-02-18 05:01am

They had some guys with black badges on Discovery in Season 1 so it makes sense that Discovery's crew knows what they mean.
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Post by bilateralrope » 2019-02-18 07:40am

We are talking about an organization who decided to recruit Ash Tyler despite his previous mental instability. Right after permanently separating him from his lover and child. They don't seem to be the most competent of secret agencies and have probably screwed up their attempts to stay unknown.

I wonder what happens between Discovery and DS9 to turn them into a rogue agency.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery Season 2 Review Thread *spoilers*

Post by Vendetta » 2019-02-18 02:43pm

bilateralrope wrote:
2019-02-18 07:40am
We are talking about an organization who decided to recruit Ash Tyler despite his previous mental instability. Right after permanently separating him from his lover and child. They don't seem to be the most competent of secret agencies and have probably screwed up their attempts to stay unknown.

I wonder what happens between Discovery and DS9 to turn them into a rogue agency.
Most secret intelligence services aren’t unknown though. They might hide in an alphabet soup of other TLAs but everyone can find out that they exist and roughly what their area of competence is.

It’s knowing specifically what they’re doing right now that’s the secret bit.

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Post by Iroscato » 2019-02-18 06:06pm

I'm strongly against them involving Section 31 in any capacity. My main problem basically is as follows: it feels like another way they can force "Star Trek but dark" into the show in a similar fashion to the bizarre decision to have half of season 1 take place in the Mirror Universe, directly after having a wartime arc. Feels like they want to have their cake and eat it too, and I believe it's a mistake to introduce S31 this early into the show's life, just as it was a mistake to have "evil" versions of characters we'd only just started to get to know parading around on the screen cackling and rubbing their hands with wicked glee.
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Post by bilateralrope » 2019-02-18 09:23pm

For me, that depends on how Section 31 is portrayed by the end of this plot arc.

If they are portrayed as the good guys, then it's a problem.

If they are portrayed as a problem for our heroes to deal with, that's fine.

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Post by Grand Moff Yenchin » 2019-02-19 03:19am

Well Michelle Yeoh has been recruited to further her adventures on a Section 31 based series so after this storyline concludes I guess the hate/love will be directed to that series with probably some occasional Michael-Emperor or Ash drama in DISCO, which, to be frank, so far kind of feels cliched to me. The Pike vs Leland was kind of refreshing since Leland seemed to be kind of decent as opposed to some spymaster evil guy or something like that, the same goes with Cornwell (being "Control"?).
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Post by Grand Moff Yenchin » 2019-02-23 05:50am

It seems kinda like a stretch to make a history like this believable, as well as not committing genocide when you have the vast technological advance. Maybe because Kelpians are too delicious?
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Post by Imperial Overlord » 2019-02-23 08:36am

Reducing the population of the people you're in conflict to a tiny fraction of its original value and confining the survivors to reservations you control while culling the ones you find dangerous is believable to me. Its not that far off from what happened in North America.
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