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Re: GUNS GUNS GERNS

Post by Lonestar » 2018-02-26 08:15pm

Sure.
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Re: GUNS GUNS GERNS

Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-03-01 11:37am

Rogue 9 wrote:
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That is an oddball weapon.
And damn hard to find ammo for. I can get it at Rural King, but what loads they'll have in stock is a bit of a crapshoot and you can't get target rounds for love or money, because the gauge isn't legal in skeet.
So, how does it shoot,when you get the chance to?
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Re: GUNS GUNS GERNS

Post by Rogue 9 » 2018-03-01 05:06pm

U.P. Cinnabar wrote:
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Rogue 9 wrote:
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U.P. Cinnabar wrote:
2018-02-26 10:15am
That is an oddball weapon.
And damn hard to find ammo for. I can get it at Rural King, but what loads they'll have in stock is a bit of a crapshoot and you can't get target rounds for love or money, because the gauge isn't legal in skeet.
So, how does it shoot,when you get the chance to?
Less kick than a 12 gauge, but it'll still blow the hell out of whatever you point it at. I wish the gauge hadn't fallen out of favor; I like it better than either 12 or 20.
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Post by Elheru Aran » 2018-03-01 05:15pm

It does sound like a useful round. That's basically a .66 inch diameter, so a slug in a rifled barrel would probably put down deer pretty reliably. Less range, but that can be lived with. Would mess up small birds and game though, so that's what you keep the 20 around for.
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Post by Rogue 9 » 2018-03-01 05:32pm

I use it strictly for can plinking (more like can shredding, since I have to use game rounds and slugs) and theoretical home defense (though I've never had to grab it for that purpose and don't expect to ever need to, at least while I continue to live where I do). I don't like the taste of venison. I might see what it does to a turkey sometime if I ever get out during the season, though; that I'll eat.
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Post by Elheru Aran » 2018-03-01 05:41pm

Sure, it sounds like it'd take down a turkey just dandy. Goose perhaps as well. Just check your local codes to see what the minimum gauge allowed is if you don't already know.
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Post by Rogue 9 » 2018-03-01 09:43pm

Also wild hogs are starting to range north of the Ohio, and if any turn up on the family farm... well, I imagine I'll want a rifle for that. But that's a bridge we can cross when we get to it.
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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-03-01 10:12pm

Elheru Aran wrote:
2018-03-01 05:15pm
It does sound like a useful round. That's basically a .66 inch diameter, so a slug in a rifled barrel would probably put down deer pretty reliably. Less range, but that can be lived with. Would mess up small birds and game though, so that's what you keep the 20 around for.
Problem is that it's such an oddball gauge( in this country, at least), as Rogue may have mentioned, so ammo for it is hard to find.

Kind of like .36 caliber pistol ammo for a LeMat(friend of mine has one, massive Civil War buff).
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Re: GUNS GUNS GERNS

Post by Rogue 9 » 2018-03-01 10:36pm

U.P. Cinnabar wrote:
2018-03-01 10:12pm
Elheru Aran wrote:
2018-03-01 05:15pm
It does sound like a useful round. That's basically a .66 inch diameter, so a slug in a rifled barrel would probably put down deer pretty reliably. Less range, but that can be lived with. Would mess up small birds and game though, so that's what you keep the 20 around for.
Problem is that it's such an oddball gauge( in this country, at least), as Rogue may have mentioned, so ammo for it is hard to find.

Kind of like .36 caliber pistol ammo for a LeMat(friend of mine has one, massive Civil War buff).
I can reliably pick up 8 shot game loads and hollowpoint slugs for it at Rural King, and sometimes they have 6 shot game loads as well (though not always). The real pain is that when shotgun shells go on sale, 16 gauge is never included; they only mark down 12, 20, and .410 (though the advertising never specifies that it's limited to certain gauges; funny that).

And as I alluded to above, this is all because when the rules of skeet were formalized, 16 gauge was left out in the cold for some godforsaken reason. Before that, it was one of the more popular gauges in the United States.
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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-03-01 10:43pm

Oh, okay. My bad, then.
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Post by Rogue 9 » 2018-03-01 10:48pm

That's the only source I've been able to find, though. Everywhere else I tried didn't know what the fuck I was talking about asking for 16 gauge.
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Post by Sea Skimmer » 2018-03-04 11:09pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
2018-03-01 10:36pm
And as I alluded to above, this is all because when the rules of skeet were formalized, 16 gauge was left out in the cold for some godforsaken reason. Before that, it was one of the more popular gauges in the United States.
Yeah, well look at how .22 hornet used to be the shit into the 1980s, and now when you can find it it's the same price as much larger 5.56x45 loadings. The firearms field has been consolidating on calibers for a long time now. That gun is great though, makes me want a pump action rifle again.
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Post by Azazal » 2018-03-05 11:46am

Rogue 9 wrote:
2018-03-01 10:48pm
That's the only source I've been able to find, though. Everywhere else I tried didn't know what the fuck I was talking about asking for 16 gauge.
To the onlines -

https://www.sgammo.com/catalog/shotgun- ... gauge-ammo

https://www.outdoorlimited.com/16-GAUGE ... s/2022.htm

I have bought ammo from both places. Everything shipped and arrived within a few days of ordering.
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Post by Torben » 2018-03-05 08:43pm

Picked this up Saturday. Ruger PCC 9mm. Mates well with my Glock pistol mags. Shoots like a dream.
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Post by TheFeniX » 2018-03-06 03:15pm

Aw man, that looks like fun to shoot.

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Post by Torben » 2018-03-06 06:40pm

It is. Ran 200 rounds through it Sunday after swapping the magwell. If I were a better shot I'd have had great groups...that said, it hit everywhere I aimed, even when it wasn't where I meant to aim :). Can't wait to take it out again.
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Post by Lonestar » 2018-03-22 05:02pm

Torben wrote:
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It is. Ran 200 rounds through it Sunday after swapping the magwell. If I were a better shot I'd have had great groups...that said, it hit everywhere I aimed, even when it wasn't where I meant to aim :). Can't wait to take it out again.
This is definitely on my list for this year. I'm hopping to get a pistol-caliber silencer ordered as well that I could mate with it.
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Post by Rogue 9 » 2018-03-22 11:02pm

Well, I've got the shotgun, and a friend of mine is selling me her deceased father's 9mm Ruger. I don't know that I want a rifle, but if I decide I do later, would a PCC be a good idea just to cut down on ammunition types since I'll already have the 9mm?
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Post by Torben » 2018-03-22 11:36pm

It's one of the reasons I got one. That and I thought it would be fun to shoot, which it is.
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Post by TheFeniX » 2018-03-23 12:09am

Even my wife's POS Hi-Point 9mm is fun to shoot. 9mm is pretty much the cheapest pistol ammo you're going to find for the quality. In some areas, even .380 is more expensive. And it's not hard stuff to find or stockpile. After shooting matches for years, I bought a 9mm conversion barrel for my XD and pretty much retired every other caliber. I keep my 1911 and .357 because "why the fuck not?" but I rarely shoot them.

I enjoy shooting an AR-15, but I keep going back to my CX4. I see no reason to purchase a.... whatever, "Tacticool" rifle. I'd rather keep my tacticool pistol carbine. The ammo is cheaper and the report is quiet enough to only really require earplugs, not muffs. That and you can shoot at Steel targets all day long.

Honestly, there's a few other 9mm "odd guns" I'd like to pick up, but won't. Something like the civilian TMP was expensive to begin with and isn't all that fun to shoot considering what had to be done to make it legal under the NFA. Attaching a stock to it is out of the question. Also, it's another Steyr product (like the AUG) with a shit trigger pull. If you were considering a 9mm carbine, I'd shop around.

Kel-Tec has some crazy shit. I love my KSG, but they also make a carbine. The Sub 2000. Folds in half for storage and transport. The only negative I can find about it is that it "looks basic." Which is funny because my CX4 looks like a lambo, but is really just a Fiero. The entire action is a double-spring inside a (near) solid rectangle of steel. Thing is stupidly easy to work on aside from the inner workings of the trigger mechanism, but that's mainly due to access.

Came in handy when a casing breached in it and blew the retaining clip out through the ejection port. I just beat on it with a hammer for about an hour.

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Post by Rogue 9 » 2018-06-17 09:42am

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It's one of the reasons I got one. That and I thought it would be fun to shoot, which it is.
Well, I've got the 9mm, a P95. The product specs on the PCC say it mates with SR and Security 9 series magazines; will it take the ones that shipped with the P95 (which is now out of production), just out of curiosity?
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Post by Torben » 2018-06-17 10:34am

Honestly, no idea. I don't have anything else Ruger and immediately dropped in the Glock insert to work with the mags from my G19.
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Post by Rogue 9 » 2018-06-17 11:03am

Probably not, sadly. Researching finds that the SR9 and P95 magazines aren't interchangeable in the pistols, so they almost certainly won't both fit in the rifle.
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Post by Torben » 2018-06-17 12:19pm

Makes sense, which also sucks. Here's to hoping Ruger makes an insert for the P series mags...or lets someone like MagPul make one. The platform has all kinds of potential with it's modularity, just needs someone to make the parts.
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