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by ray245
2020-09-19 05:22am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: China releases white paper on Uyghur camps; estimates several million Uyghurs subject to them
Replies: 18
Views: 955

Re: China releases white paper on Uyghur camps; estimates several million Uyghurs subject to them

There's nothing to be complex about. You can just simply say like John Oliver did that China went overboard, acting like the Patriot Act on steroids and is racist against Uyghurs. It's really that simple. The problem in not doing that is because Zenz sponsors are the same rightwing idiots that went...
by ray245
2020-09-18 03:56pm
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: China releases white paper on Uyghur camps; estimates several million Uyghurs subject to them
Replies: 18
Views: 955

Re: China releases white paper on Uyghur camps; estimates several million Uyghurs subject to them

But who cares about complex issues and complex narratives when you can lump things into good guys vs bad guys? This is why the West as a whole is shit at actually dealing with human rights issues.
by ray245
2020-09-01 08:21am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

True, but I would think such a person would have to be very brave and in need of police protection afterwards Hence why you have freedom of speech laws. Society enshrine the freedom of speech because it adds values to the society as a whole, as it helps dissident and people to voice their views aga...
by ray245
2020-09-01 06:39am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

But I can see your point that it's needlessly provocative/intimidating when it's done in a predominately Muslim neighborhood, and I can see reasons to ban it in said neighborhood (as long as it is allowed in public somewhere else). What happens when someone of the Muslim community did decide to bur...
by ray245
2020-09-01 06:02am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

Remarkably enough, you can plot that progression pretty perfectly against Habermas's theory of communicative action and discourse theory. He wasn't trying to model what happens when the ordinary speech situation of politics stops having any semblance of communicative rationality, but the outcome is...
by ray245
2020-09-01 05:15am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

Freedom of speech gets bandied about a lot now but have you ever read about the paradox of tolerance? It states that the more tolerant we are of intolerant views, the more they will grow and become acceptable and those intolerant views will become stronger, in turn reducing freedom of speech in the...
by ray245
2020-09-01 04:12am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Migration and integration
Replies: 18
Views: 1096

Re: Migration and integration

Sure, but I feel that by this point it's a cop out to keep on blaming the British for Malaysian Chinese refusal/disinclination to assimilate or integrate with contemporary Malay/Muslim cultural/religious expectations. Or vice versa, for that matter. Not necessarily, but it does explain why the situ...
by ray245
2020-08-31 11:35pm
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Migration and integration
Replies: 18
Views: 1096

Re: Migration and integration

Though I suppose there's also an element of Western bias here too - many Malaysian Chinese will adopt an English name not just for religious reasons (baptismal name or whatever) but just for cool factor or to make things easier in English, but adopting a "malay" name for any reason other than conve...
by ray245
2020-08-31 10:28pm
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

I'm a bit confused as to why expat bubbles come into play in these discussions, with very few exceptions Western expats are almost always temporary, which is why they are expats - those who elect to stay would seem to be a *much* smaller % of the population than third world migrants to these Wester...
by ray245
2020-08-31 10:21pm
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Migration and integration
Replies: 18
Views: 1096

Re: Migration and integration

This is something I repeatedly hear in issues of immigration, and how migrants are not willing to integrate with the wider community. I just thought I should add something to this subject, especially given that I AM now a migrant from a non-western (abit heavily westernised) country living in "the ...
by ray245
2020-08-31 06:35pm
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

None but I'm not seriously considering leaving Canada anytime soon. If I were I'd either move to another English speaking nation or start learning a new language. So you're making learning a new language easier than it sounds. I do find it much of a double standard when Western migrants are not exp...
by ray245
2020-08-31 06:15pm
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Migration and integration
Replies: 18
Views: 1096

Re: Migration and integration

Why can't they speak English at home as a means of practice for her? Why doesn't he mind the house on his days off so she can get out and socialize? These are solvable issues for them and they aren't doing it. How many people speak their second language at home? As for socialising...if she is findi...
by ray245
2020-08-31 05:40pm
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Migration and integration
Replies: 18
Views: 1096

Re: Migration and integration

This and the parents and grandparents brought along later are one of the issues I have with immigrants in my community. I understand that it's difficult, and that a lot of first generation immigrants will never fully get either the language or the culture, but that's no excuse to live here for year...
by ray245
2020-08-31 05:35pm
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

I agree, my standards basically boil down to: 1) Speak the language Easier said that done. How many second language do you speak? 2) Respect local customs That seems antithetical to freedom of expression? 3) Don't create an unnecessary burdens for your new home I don't think anyone wants to be a bu...
by ray245
2020-08-31 04:42pm
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Migration and integration
Replies: 18
Views: 1096

Migration and integration

This is something I repeatedly hear in issues of immigration, and how migrants are not willing to integrate with the wider community. I just thought I should add something to this subject, especially given that I AM now a migrant from a non-western (abit heavily westernised) country living in "the W...
by ray245
2020-08-31 04:30pm
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

I suppose the real question here is should a nation which otherwise treats its citizens justly change itself to benefit outsiders who have chosen to immigrate? My opinion is that if you come to another state it is on you to make the effort to integrate and that so long as the state doesn't provide ...
by ray245
2020-08-31 11:21am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

I guess not but it's not like it's a clear and objective line to determine at which point people will feel intimidated. Where or how would you draw the line on that? What if some people already feel intimidated by a cartoon or a rainbow flag? If the line has to be set to appease the loudest screami...
by ray245
2020-08-31 10:59am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

Should people feel intimidated in public spaces because of freedom of speech? Do you doubt that religious people will try to spin any significant public insult to their religion as intimidation if you go down that route? Sure, some will. But is it worth the trade-off of people feeling intimidated?
by ray245
2020-08-31 10:39am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

I was not aware of these things, and if true then these are all criminal offenses that should be persecuted by the state. So I can understand that some people will feel intimidated by it, but I'm not convinced that burning a quran in public should be banned or considered a criminal offense. I'm sur...
by ray245
2020-08-31 10:26am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

And yet your stance on secular democracy seems to boil down to 'fuck 'em, religious freedom means I can do anything I please and they have to tolerate it'. You have far more in common with them than you're willing to admit. Especially if it is someone coming from a relatively privileged position sa...
by ray245
2020-08-31 10:23am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

What, are you saying we should stop people from burning their copy of the Torah if they want to? Socially acceptable or legally acceptable? Also in what context? Burning it in front of a Synagogue is entirely different from burning it in private. I don't think the legal trade off of prohibiting cri...
by ray245
2020-08-31 09:21am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

It's odd that you think I'm suggesting Islam deserves special treatment, when I've made no comment of the kind - perhaps your biases are showing. Let me give you another example of burning something that your criteria rules out as intimidation: burning crosses on the lawn of Black folks. Would you ...
by ray245
2020-08-31 09:14am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

I feel that focusing on 'legitimate criticism' is the wrong tack to be taking. An anti-immigrant racist burning the Quran isn't going to make Swedish Muslims any less uncomfortable or angry than me burning the Quran because I'm an atheist who thinks that Muhammad was a lying fraud who made the whol...
by ray245
2020-08-31 09:02am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

Nah, because that would imply that the Muslims in question were somehow wronged by a Quran being burned or that the people whose property they burned or who they threw rocks at somehow deserved it. Yes or no Ray, do you think it should be a crime to insult certain religions? Do members of certain r...
by ray245
2020-08-31 04:01am
Forum: News and Politics
Topic: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran
Replies: 75
Views: 2945

Re: Riots in Malmo, Sweden as people burn the Koran

The other thing we got to be aware of, is that there are accusations that hate speech laws aren't applied equally. I am not sure how accurate it is, but the allegation goes that if a Muslim was to say anti semitic thing the law will come on them, but it doesn't seem to be as harsh as when right win...