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All I can say on the broader discussion is this: Show little trust to those whose posts do not begin with some variation on 'I believe..." (Except this one! :wink: ) This isn't a topic where science or logic gives us conclusive answers. Ultimately there's an emotional choice involved that can't...

Everybody arguing the law and politics of this is missing the point: This is abysmally childish behavior. "But she did it first!". :roll: But then again American politics is essentially a school yard, anyway. Both sides have so utterly lost sight of the common good that their best concept ...

This thread, predictably, turned into "my favorite ship". Half of the crap posted is not only not beautiful, but they are down right ugly. Some of them are basically two shapes connected together. As if beauty cannot be rugged :roll: I think the spaceship from The Fountain is beautiful. S...

See what I meant about going no where?

Good bye.

While even the ones saying they hated the idea didn't want to explicitly ban the power because they wanted to leave it up to the Legislature to decide whether it was needed, exactly as the modern interpretation of the Necessary and Proper clause would imply . Such things were suggested but the actu...

Wait, you skipped over like a half a dozen delegates who supported it, and a couple who said flat-out that they didn't want to include it, but also didn't want to put it on the list of restricted powers for reasons like: "Though he had a mortal hatred to paper money, yet as he could not forese...

See, this is the problem with assuming that all law and legitimacy flow from a 250 year old piece of parchment. The nation has changed , on scales the authors of the Constitution cannot imagine. We have learned much about how to run a democratic country, and how not to run it, having gathered all s...

So, this argument didn't seem to be going anywhere. I figured I'd actually post the substance of my argument and let people judge it on its own merits, instead of the merits they imagine it has (or doesn't have) from reading the single sentence summaries of it they've seen in my previous posts. I ap...

For most of you: You guys all know you're making utilitarian arguments in response to a legal one, right? You're essentially ignoring the point I was trying to make in favor of expounding on how useful national banks (which aren't actually the same thing as central banks) are to the establishment an...

Plushie wrote: The only country on a gold standard for the whole 19th century was Great Britain.

I've just remembered that, from a purely technical standpoint, Great Britain wasn't, either. She left the gold standard during the Napoleonic Wars.

If I'm recalling my history right, Alexander Hamilton favored a central, national bank. Jefferson (and Jackson) opposed it. Don't see what that has to do with anything though, because Hamilton was actually involved with the constitution, as I recall, and Jefferson, at the time, was in France... Ind...

Hmm, this is meaningless to me, and anyone else not versed in American history. Could you describe briefly what Jefferson and Hamilton actually favoured? When George Washington was first elected to the Presidency, he appointed Alexander Hamilton (an important figure in the nascent Federalist Party,...

What does "truly free choice in money" even mean? If it's what it sounds like it's just not possible. If it is not what it sounds like knowing just what it is would be useful so as to even be able to discuss the matter. Meaning, essentially, that there is no legal tender crowding out othe...

This is precisely what I meant when I called you ignorant. Do you know how many Financial Recessions there were between 1776 and the Great Depression? Thirty . Do you know how many depressions there were before the Great Depression? Eight. Nine in total, all on the gold standard. How many since? Fa...

I'll repeat what I said elsewhere: "The US dollar is un-Constitutional, but not because it's not gold or silver. It's un-Constitutional because Jefferson was right and Hamilton was wrong about the Bank. But, for the same reason Hamilton won the political game in his time, nothing will be done a...

Your claims require to be substantiated. Oh, sure, I'll just go get my copy of The Big Book of Alternate Historical Timelines , I'll get right to you. .... Have you ever worked on a farm? Long, long hours, hard, hard work. High effort, low return. I mean, there's a good reason these people are able...

I've even read about how some economists and historians believe the developing world has to go through the pains of industrialisation every bit as much as we did, and fight for their own rights, despite ours being a perfect template to adapt to their cultures. Problem is they haven't got as good a ...

Spoonist wrote:Wrath of Khan - SS Botany Bay or sending hard rockers to penal colonies?

The later.

Ask Australia if they'll let you import your rabbit or your cane toad." Or your potted cactus... http://www.northwestweeds.nsw.gov.au/prickly_pear_history.htm What really amazed me was that the brits deliberately introduced WASPS into both australia and new zeeland. Bees I can see, but wasps? ...

I am not convinced. The US has become plutocratic through a number of processes; for most of them, the states were willing handmaidens of the plutocracy- state militia called out to suppress strikes, states competing to achieve lowest-common-denominator regulations on corporate activity, state poli...

I don't like that. For one, does it mean that the duty of a signatory government which has a divine monarchy (like North Korea) is to obey the whims of its god-king? I'd be happier leaving any clause about the duty of obedience out. In a literal sense, it's true. The governing administration of Nor...

Northern states threatening to stop enforcing the Fugitive Slave Act doesn't strike me as "not tied with the evils of Southern slavery." Heh. I'll grant the issue of the New England states discussing secession and making veiled threats to secede in 1814, which ultimately came to nothing, ...

Just to let you know, you screwed up the quotes. Quote tags on this website are pretty confusing. Assuming you have never encountered a markup tag before in your life, I suppose. I apologize, sarcasm doesn't translate well without tone. I didn't realize the tags were screwed up and now the board do...

@ Chirios : You are right. Before I go on rewriting the whole thing, any thoughts on a multi-tiered agreement. IE : First tier, most basic duties, even those who haven't signed the agreement are expected to respect them (like with Human Rights, I... guess ? Uh, I honestly don't know, there...) ; Se...

Panzersharkcat wrote:Just to let you know, you screwed up the quotes.

Quote tags on this website are pretty confusing.