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Let's cut to the chase. Do you believe a state is unjustified in the use of force except in cases of threats to the nation's existence? Fuck off. This isn't my argument. Because there are never any reasons a state may not want to make intelligence public, right? Because just trusting them at their ...

The other half of it is, it is... at best wishful thinking and at worst willful ignorance of human nature to expect a large group of people to agree to give up something for nothing. It's usually possible to convince people to sacrifice something for something, or nothing for nothing, but not somet...

Well, it also lasts quite well on the borders with Egypt and Jordan, despite the past wars. Because with these countries, Israel managed to formulate reasonable terms which both sides can find acceptable in the long term. Hamas doesn't even try. They either talk about Israel destroyed, or demand te...

Note, I'm going to sleep soon, responses to eyl and Omeganian are pending. Well, what influences your decision? What factors do and do not matter? I think I've restated this: a desire for peace, which leads to wondering who has to back down first (this being a vicious cycle and all). Look at the pow...

Also, doubleposting because I just saw it: Israeli airstrike levels 7-story building in Gaza GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Israeli airstrikes leveled a seven-floor office building and severely damaged a two-story shopping center in the Gaza Strip early Sunday, signaling a new escalation in seven week...

Out of curiosity, how do we decide which side has to give? Is it automatically the rich and heavily armed side that should give by ceding... I don't know, land, resources, whatever... to the poor and poorly armed side? Does this hold true only under some conditions, or always under all conditions? ...

Counter-productive? Probably. But wrong? In case you missed it, what happened was exactly what they predicted would happen. And the Palestinians' actions made the peace camp look like credelous idiots. And Israel's actions made people lose faith in Fatah and elect the even more extreme Hamas in the...

It is analogous, though, in the sense that there is an extremist organization operating in Gaza. It is not analogous in that, while the IRA was eventually isolated, Israeli heavy-handedness has resulted in secular feminists declaring 'we are all Hamas'. OTOH, the IRA was never the actual government...

There were groups - toothless, little in the way of manpower. Seriously counting on them to make a difference? Unless I was mistaken, there were at the start of the Syrian Civil War large factions that were quite moderate in comparison to the rest of Assad's opposition. There still are (the Free Sy...

The Troubles isn't really analogous unless there is a significant majority of the population of Gaza clamoring to be a part of Isreal. It is analogous, though, in the sense that there is an extremist organization operating in Gaza. It is not analogous in that, while the IRA was eventually isolated,...

Stas Bush wrote:There were groups - toothless, little in the way of manpower. Seriously counting on them to make a difference?

Unless I was mistaken, there were at the start of the Syrian Civil War large factions that were quite moderate in comparison to the rest of Assad's opposition.

For me, if Hamas contunes firing rockets at Israeli citizens while being assaulted by IDF, that means they simply want to murder Israeli citizens. As for whether the actions are justified... well, yes, sometimes it gets excessive, but so long as a critic isn't willing to go into Gaza and show us ho...

There were groups that were moderate, Stas. It's just that everybody was looking for that magical middle eastern faction which talks and acts exactly like a Western liberal democratic party, because the West has had centuries of practice in misinterpreting and misunderstanding people of "Orient...

Since when is Hamas actually targeting something? Not to mention shoots at houses instead of people ? Yes, their rockets are shit and they're lucky if they even fall inside the right country. What of it? TBH, if they ever got weaponry that's actually worth something, I'd wager they'd go for militar...

Since when is Hamas actually targeting something? Not to mention shoots at houses instead of people ? Yes, their rockets are shit and they're lucky if they even fall inside the right country. What of it? TBH, if they ever got weaponry that's actually worth something, I'd wager they'd go for militar...

One of the villians of my setting is an entire society of people looking to make the perfect race. My Google-fu failed me in this search, so I'm bringing the question on here. Is there any place where they try to accomplish this goal by bringing in the genes of as many sapient species as they can i...

Patroklos wrote:

Dr. Trainwreck wrote:In that case, the moral thing would be for Hamas to target the house of every IDF reservist for rocket fire, right?

Is that not what they are doing?

Yeah, more or less. My point is that if we apply Omeganian's logic, then this is the moral thing to do.

b) Demolishing a suspect's (or even convicted person's) home, where his family is living, is an action taken to punish an entire family. I literally cannot think of a culture that used this measure to punish individuals, it is by definition used to take revenge against the entire clan. A person in ...

His Divine Shadow wrote:Israel?

You know what I mean.

Is impounding a thief's bank account a collective punishment just because his wife has access to i? I dunno, my turn: is rendering the whole family homeless justice because one of them did something wrong? Impounding a bank account can easily lead to that. But if you yourself, despite all the eager...

Not just moral, but MOST MORAL.

Omeganian wrote:Is impounding a thief's bank account a collective punishment just because his wife has access to i?

I dunno, my turn: is rendering the whole family homeless justice because one of them did something wrong?

Omeganian wrote:Whatever the proper response is, the comfort of the criminal's family is seldom considered of primary importance when administering it.

Do you even justice and collective punishment, bro?

In that case, the moral thing would be for Hamas to target the house of every IDF reservist for rocket fire, right? I heard of IDF stopping cargoes, but stealing international aid money to put in its own pocket... mind reminding me when it happened? Destroying their homes, where their families are ...

In that case, the moral thing would be for Hamas to target the house of every IDF reservist for rocket fire, right?