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by jollyreaper
2018-02-19 12:08am
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

Rian Johnson might know the rules of creating a good movie that stands on its own, but that's different from being part of a building block for a cinematic universe. Directors or producers who may be good at producing good movies might not be good at building a cinematic universe. If anything, the ...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-18 11:54pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

You're not saying that at all. You seem to largely be jumping around from point to point without ever actually settling on a meaning for the things you say. I suppose, though, that Rian Johnson obviously doesn't "know the rules", having only directed two widely-respected films and several...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-18 02:02pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

Luke told Leia in ROTJ: "In time you'll learn to use it as I have." I always thought that was a pretty clear foreshadow of her training. On a totally unrelated note, I just stumbled across this nice little video that someone made before TLJ even hit theaters: The training fan video was wh...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-18 01:58pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

So your argument is that high-quality things are good, and low-quality things are bad. I don't see how any of the other things you're saying around it matter, then. What I'm saying is that there are rules for writing and they're the rules because they generally work, like "make your protagonis...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-16 10:07am
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

None of those are meaningful criticisms outside of fanfic criticism, where the reason the Mary Sue exists as a critique comes down to the idea that the fanfic author must avoid imposing on the original work, and self-insertions and wish fulfillment etc. are considered impositions. But outside of th...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-15 04:02pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

I'll be honest and say that I have no idea why "Mary Sue" is supposed to be a meaningful criticism outside of fanfiction, where it's still not particularly meaningful. Because the recent movies felt a lot like fanfic? Well I mean, by definition they aren't fanfic and the reasons why "...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-14 09:07pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

Palpatine was looking to turn Luke and have him replace Vader. Kinda hard to do if you gun him town the moment you have him. Would it have been on hindsight 'Yeah, not gonna turn this guy, better get rid of him' smarter? Absolutely. But Palpatine wanted Luke as his new Vader and didn't know it woul...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-14 09:00pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

This argument is usually bolstered by comparisons to Luke and Anakin. Now I think this argument relies too much on guessing people's internal psychology and the assumption that the only difference between Luke and Rey is their sexes. Bingo. I had a ton of problems with the writing for Anakin but he...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-14 12:05pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

Not in and of itself, no. Its insulting, and in my opinion not justified by evidence. Its arguably sexist, for a broad definition of sexism. But obviously not fascist. How can it be sexist if nobody is making a sexist argument? If someone says "there's no way she could be this good at so many ...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-08 06:48pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: What is the galaxy's perception of Palpatine's defeat?
Replies: 27
Views: 18845

Re: What is the galaxy's perception of Palpatine's defeat?

In short, video tends to both demystify and immortalize historical events no matter how long ago they happened. For now it does and is why I have a hard time believing the SW timeline. Star Wars isn't really interested in exploring this particular idea but I think it will have massive real world be...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-08 06:30pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Solo Trailer
Replies: 70
Views: 35866

Re: Solo Trailer

But honestly at this point I don't think -anybody- is making a serious argument that the Falcon was intended to be a space freighter. We already saw what a space freighter is supposed to look like, and that was the big container ship Han and Chewie were on in TFA. Not to mention Ansel's replenishme...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-08 02:17pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: What is the galaxy's perception of Palpatine's defeat?
Replies: 27
Views: 18845

Re: What is the galaxy's perception of Palpatine's defeat?

The Clone Wars cartoon also seems to suggest the opening WW2 propaganda is being recorded and broadcast. I guess it is possible for that kind of superheroism to fall into Legend quickly, but the Jedi were a major political force up until their destruction. They weren't some backwater hicks. Some Mo...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-08 02:04pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: What is the galaxy's perception of Palpatine's defeat?
Replies: 27
Views: 18845

Re: What is the galaxy's perception of Palpatine's defeat?

76] In Lost Stars (nuCanon), Ciena goes aboard Death Star II, and she is horrified by Palpatine's face (she was expecting pre RotS Palpy). Guess that means he kept a low profile and never revealed he was a Sith. Good. That makes sense. Another hint could be the talk in DS I, where that imperial off...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-07 04:37pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: What is the galaxy's perception of Palpatine's defeat?
Replies: 27
Views: 18845

Re: What is the galaxy's perception of Palpatine's defeat?

I know it was discussed a bit in the old EU, but I'm wondering if its come up at all in current canon. I mean... there were only three witnesses to what happened in the Death Star Throne Room, and two of them are dead. From everyone else's view point, all they'd likely know is that Luke walked into...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-07 04:22pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: David Benioff and D.B. Weiss to direct new Star Wars series
Replies: 56
Views: 34689

Re: David Benioff and D.B. Weiss to direct new Star Wars series

I'm still not sure how much of that complaint is actually the show getting worse, and how much is "It stopped being like the books", and angry book fans equating "Not like the books" with "bad". Well, the question of quality is a matter of opinion but compare the writi...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-07 03:55pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

I don't think there's going to be big supporters of TLJ in ten or so years, the movie was way too bad. The prequels had 2 problems, Gungans and AOTC Anakin. The plot was good despite of that. The ST has a poor to no coherent plot. I read a very convincing argument about how the prequels -- on paper...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-06 07:28pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: David Benioff and D.B. Weiss to direct new Star Wars series
Replies: 56
Views: 34689

Re: David Benioff and D.B. Weiss to direct new Star Wars series

So long as someone writes the trilogy for them to adapt, it'll be fantastic. If they actually have to write the plot themselves.... I've got a bad feeling about this. Funny. That's pretty much exactly how I feel about JJ Abrams. I think the only thing he's done I've ever truly enjoyed was the origi...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-06 07:24pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

The probe droids didn't have hyperdrive, their drop pods did. And we don't know what those transports were designed for. If they were only for transporting stuff/people from planet A to planet B within a single system they didn't need hyperdrive. Yes they CAN build hyperdrives into something as sma...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-06 07:16pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: David Benioff and D.B. Weiss to direct new Star Wars series
Replies: 56
Views: 34689

Re: David Benioff and D.B. Weiss to direct new Star Wars series

So long as someone writes the trilogy for them to adapt, it'll be fantastic. If they actually have to write the plot themselves.... I've got a bad feeling about this.
by jollyreaper
2018-02-05 11:23pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

As for the transports, they're just masked from sensors- at least until you tell your sensors to really try, then they show up easily and you can precision pick them off at extreme range. I'm looking forward to seeing if you can spot them from Snoke's throne room without the magnifying glass. If it...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-02 06:41pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

The MCU is an interesting comparison, because it's constantly building up to something on multiple levels. The solo ventures follow fairly standard narrative structures, and are able to exist largely independent of each other. You don't need to have seen Iron Man 1 and 2 to understand what's going ...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-02 06:22pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: How to make Rey a NON-Mary Sue
Replies: 294
Views: 138001

Re: How to make Rey a NON-Mary Sue

Yah. it's a bit of a rat's nest of a problem. But it looks like the new EU will be going a similar way. A new rat's nest with new problems. I really do not get what makes people think they can half-assed continuity. Some people say 'only the nitpickers really care about that sort of thing/you'll al...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-01 03:47pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

In order to make that work you would have to not do it like The Hobbit but more like Lord of the Rings where everything is filmed in one go and then you have 3 years to stagger the post production and release. I'm honestly surprised it wasn't done that way. Or with even an over arcing plot. To me i...
by jollyreaper
2018-02-01 12:09pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)
Replies: 1842
Views: 564654

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

They can commit to a movie every year if they stagger production. If it takes three years to really make a movie well and get everything good in post, just financed 3 movie simultaneously. That way you always have three in the pipeline and one coming out every year. What you're saying about a rush w...
by jollyreaper
2018-01-31 03:40pm
Forum: Pure Star Wars
Topic: How to make Rey a NON-Mary Sue
Replies: 294
Views: 138001

Re: How to make Rey a NON-Mary Sue

That's the big letdown for people. There are a few people that hope that the end of ROTJ meant something significant like the end of WW2. Wars still exist, but never on a worldwide scale again. Instead, imagine being told the heroes you've been rooting for only won WW1. It's dramatically unappealin...