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I'll try, but when people aren't even sure of the ranges involved, the books are going to have to come out.

This might take a while. There is just so damn many spells!

Anyway...

You fools need more info on DnD. :o Fortunately, I have my books on hand. :wink: I'm using 3.5 rules, since I don't believe in 4'th editions. First, ranges: This depends both on the power of the mage and the spell. It also depends on the school of magic, and most of the "bang, you're dead"...

Even if they can't hire more cops, the question still remains of which effect is larger: proliferation+untrustworthy population or self-defense. Well, I know that here in Colorado, we have the Make My Day law (yes, it is actually called that, and yes, it is a Dirty Harry reference. The voters have ...

Sarevok wrote:One on one fights happen outside of movies where you don't get pummeled to death by bricks and cricket bats in a shady construction site after you "won" ?

That would highlight the importance of running away after you "win."

A better rebuttal would be to point out that he does not need to understand. In anything that could be reasonably called a "free society", the onus must be on the regulator to establish that regulations are necessary , rather than the individual to show that he should have the freedom to ...

Yes. I can't understand why you want to own such a thing. I can maybe understand going down to a firing range and borrowing one to shoot off a few rounds with, but taking it home afterward? Nah... Then we are fundamentally opposed. I doubt you would understand at this point. There are times when it...

And they don't , you moron. No more than the wires inside the detonator killed someone. Let me try to make this easier for you. A phone killing someone would involve, I dunno, holding a phone and bashing someone's head in with it. The phone being involved in a long chain of events that eventually l...

A very simple theorum exists to prove 1 =/= 0

1 + 1 = 2

0 + 1 = 1

Therefore, 0 =/= 1

Is anyone just plain more talkative over the net? I'm curious.

Well... if you want to argue lethality, one could make the argument that a car crash is more likely to lead to death due to the high speeds involved, number of victims per incident, the fact that guns are in fact designed to wound as much as to kill.

Or by showing why it would be unnecessary in light of less harsh alternatives, but I see where you are going with that. Unfortunately, I'm drawing a blank right now on anything original to add that has not been said already. The problem of the black market and the fact that guns do not have a monopo...

Ah... miscommunication, then. I was arguing In this case that collective punishment is innapropriate as a means to curb gun crime. I concede that there are times at which it is a justifiable as a solution to a problem; that is why, say, hard drugs like meth are banned, and rightfilly so.

We also do not ban cars in their entirety, either. Even particularly dangerous ones like motorcycles. We regulate them and have anti-idiot measures (admittedly ones that do not work well enough, but that is another topic). I fail to see how his position is justified even taking that into account. Es...

Those numbers seem to me to say that there is a significant enough problem to justify banning them. Pistols? they would probably be the first on the ax, true. Its not like they are good for hunting or anything. Banning all guns? Over-reaction, IMO. Damnit! That should read "Those numbers seem ...

Actually, you know what? Let me retrace my steps since you guys seem to take issue with a single line. You are right, a statistic cannot be rediculous, it can only be true or not. Its binary, either the numbers are right or they aren't. However, the judgement calls we make based off them can be redi...

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo335/joke-deluge/doh.gif Never mind. Like I said, I never questioned your numbers. I was just pointing out that they seemed to me to say just how little of a problem it is. Feel free to disagree with that assessment if you must, I don't really care. However, you ...

When you are basing your conclusion on patiently rediculous statistics? Why yes, your position is very reasonable.

What the fuck does recalled toys have to do with gun control? And seriously, seven out of one thousand gun owners! if it was fifty percent of gun owners, sure, there is a problem. If it was thirty percent, fine. Ten percent. One percent? This is less than one percent of the population. Mass banning ...

Off the cuff in the way you used them, not in the sense of validity. I never questioned the validity of your sources, I questioned the premise that they were being used to support. 7/1000 is an order of magnitude larger than 1/1000, but its still too damn small to justify taking it out on legitimate...

Is it okay to "collectively punish" the owners of some hypothetical item in which 50% of the owners do something wrong? How about 999/1000? There is presumably a point at which it is sensible and legitimate, right? About 57 million US adults own at least one firearm, and about 400,000 cri...

Ghetto edit: could someone fix that horrid quote box error? I'm not used to posting in a forum that doesn't have an edit function yet.

So, to sum up what you took four paragraphs to say, guns are designed to inflict serious injury or death, which has absolutely no effect on the validity of my assertion that they are designed to kill. So what if they are designed to injure or kill? the next question is, is that a problem? Is there ...

Tell me if it is harder to easier to kill so many people if you don't have a gun with you. That is not the point. The point is that there are so few school related crimes as to make any discussion of them meaningless because they are not indicative of any larger problem. It's not about taking away ...

ray245: 1. School shootings are a minority of gun crimes by anyone's statistic. Citing them is a common tactic I have personally seen people use to derail any rational discussion on the subject with emotion. 2. American society is a rather violent one, that glorifies violence at any turn it can, and...